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In this episode, Malcolm and Simone dive deep into the current state of France, exploring its pension crisis, demographic challenges, immigration policies, and political turmoil. They compare France’s situation to other European countries, discuss the impact of government benefits, and debate the effectiveness of recent reforms. The conversation also touches on cultural differences, personal experiences in France, and broader themes of government dysfunction and societal change. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. Today we are gonna be talking about just. How cooked France is, just for some statistics that people might be surprised about is in France, your average pensioner makes more money in terms of like cost of living, adjusted money than your average worker in the country. In. In France, 57, sorry, 57% of people are net beneficiaries of the government.43% pay into the government. Oh no. France is already past the point. And I said this is a point where democracies begin to break down where the average citizen is being paid by the government to exist. And we’re going to look at where this has led to downstream collapse, in just a second here.Also very fun. What I love about diving into France and we’ve had episodes diving into the UK and diving into Germany, and now we’re diving into France, is each country is completely cooked in like its own way. It’s almost like Europe got to be like [00:01:00] the captain planet of evil and country vices. And you know, the UK is like.I’ll arrest people for memes. You know, like there was the guy who was arrested in Scotland for literally painting Islam can be questioned on his wall. And they, the police were like, no, it cannot the girl who, who well, we’re not gonna go into that. All of that. You can, you can go to our video where we point out that the only reason a country would ban the flying of its own flag is if it was under occupation.There’s no other reason to ban the flying of your own country’s flag, because presumably you do that in support of your government, right? If the government sees that as an attack on them, and this usually happens under occupation, like France under occupation, you ban it. So the UK has got its draconian speech laws and, and, and all of that.Then in Germany you have like a secret police force of like brown shorts that literally label mainstream political parties as terrorist organizations and monitor in harass mainstream like people [00:02:00] who are to the left of like the United States president or us, for example, as being. Political. Mind you, this is a political party, the a FD that is run by a lesbian in an interracial relationship.So yeah, not exactly that extreme, right? Then we get to France, right? And what is their nature of terribleness? They’re actually pretty good about not arresting people for stupid things. And they’re actually pretty good about not like spying on the quote unquote far right party, which we’ll go into like lap pen’s party or bullying them.But they have the curse of the French, which means, oh no. The problem with France is that it’s full of French people. And French people have completely unrealistic expectations around what to expect and. They are treating. Like if, if you, if you watch, and what we’ll go into a bit is this recent OD of you know, Francis current Prime Minister Macron [00:03:00] constantly trying to get the retirement age raged from 62 to 64.Now 64 would be a very young retirement age, globally speaking. And yeah. What,Simone Collins: let’s see, was it, is it in the USA,It is 67 for social security.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so the point being is he wants to raise it a a moderate amount, and we’ll go into the data here, but like anyone could tell you that the system’s gonna be insolvent in just like a decade and a half if they don’t raise it. And literally this is what keeps breaking the government.And when I say break, I mean literally they’ve been through like four sitting whatevers like head of the governments in like the past few years because they, they pee everything to like step down the ministersSimone Collins: right.Malcolm Collins: You know, whatever, because France isSimone Collins: a president and a Prime minister and it’s, they’re, they’re churning through Prime Ministers this point.Yeah. We’ll, we’llMalcolm Collins: get to it. Yeah. And, and the core reason is, and the core reason that everything about Macrons blew up, even though he tried to side with the lefties, is just over this retirement age thing. And what makes this so funny to me. [00:04:00] Is the system won’t even exist in like a decade and a half if they don’t make this change.Right. And this change will, I feel like even ifSimone Collins: they do two years doesn’t seem this yearly enough. Yeah. What change EstimatedMalcolm Collins: to increase its lifespan by one decade. Maybe if they do it immediately. And so they’re not even like arguing for like this being a permanent thing. They’re arguing for a thing they would hypothetically want if money grew on trees.But like you go to the French people and you’re like. Here is the data. Money doesn’t grow on trees. And they’re like, ah, whatever. So let’s get into this. So right now in, in, in France retirees per workers, so we’re not even talking about dependences, remember I talking about they’re already past the dependency ratio with 57% of the population taking its money from the state, not giving to the state.Yeah.For 43% of French is already retirees. Gosh, that’s gonna be 55% by 2070. And keep in [00:05:00] mind their birth rate fell 20% in the past 10 years.Simone Collins: So yeah, this is only gonna get worse. Are there many developed countries that have that proportion of old people or is this is France? Yeah. France is actuallyMalcolm Collins: one of the best countries in Europe for demographics.Oh. They have one of the highest. Fertility rates and all of fertility rates. Yeah.Simone Collins: But still proportion of old people. I mean, like I, I thought most countries hadn’t gotten to that point of being. Most countries don’t that dependency ratio don’tMalcolm Collins: have, most countries don’t have a retirement age at 62.Simone Collins: Yeah, that is really young.Okay,Malcolm Collins: so France actually has, like, if you’re talking like fertility rate flies, France is great. And if you wanna know why France is great despite being a Catholic country, ‘cause that’s unusual for Catholic countries, is it actually secularized way earlier than other countries in Europe? And as we have pointed out collapsing fertility rates is largely about the urban monocultural belief system.And the longer you have been exposed to that, the more resistance you’ve been able to culturally and perhaps even [00:06:00] genetically evolve to its lures. And France has about a hundred years on most other European countries because they underwent their first fertility collapse about a hundred years before, for example, the UK did.Which is why France, I would argue, has such robust fertility numbers. In its native population. But it, but it doesn’t matter because they’re completely unreasonable. I, I should note here, by the way, and people can ask you know, if I’m speaking derisively about French, people know, like, one of the jokes on the show is like, I don’t like really like French people very much.Like the country very much. You know, I, I make jokes on that and people are like, why? Why, why do you feel this way? Have you been to France, Simone? Been?Yes. Yeah.Yeah. I’ve been there multiple times too. And I have never been to anywhere on Earth, and I’m not even talking about by like a, a margin, like nowhere comes close to being treated with.As much rudeness and derision as I was treated for no reason. [00:07:00] And, and people can be like, well, it’s a cultural difference. And I’m like, fine then I don’t like that culture. Right. Like, and people in Europe, they talk about this. Like I know French people when they come to the US and they’re like, everyone is so nice.In inauthentic. And I’m like, no, that’s not inauthentic. You don’t have to like, like somebody to treat them with basic human dignity, right? Like, you, you don’t need to, like if you’re, if you’re doing your job and they’re not like actively resisting you, right? It doesn’t cost you anything to smile and try to make the day of like a random other person who you don’t know anything about, marginally better.And did you, did you have this experience in France as well, or is this unique to me?Simone Collins: I can’t say I interacted a lot with people because I generally avoid people whether I’m traveling or not. Yeah. So I guess I don’t really care. And if they leave me alone, I’m pretty happy about it.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Also it was a constant, I, I mean, this is not unique to France.It also happened when I’m traveling in Italy. But the constant harassment of young women walking around is also [00:08:00] really gets to me. But again, this is just where I’m culturally different, right. And, and people can be like, well, you know, different cultures be different. Right. And, and that’s true around the world.And I’m just like, from my cultural perspective, I think that you should, you know, give other people that you meet randomly the benefit of the doubt and be nice to them. And people will be like, well, that’s just Paris or whatever, right? And it’s like, okay, great. Maybe it is just Paris, but like we go to Manhattan all the time and people in Manhattan are perfectly nice to strangers.Like, and, and Manhattan? No, no. Well, Manhattan’s known as being one of the less nice places in the United States and it’s still fairly nice. The only city I go to in the US where I like regularly see people be mean to people out of nowhere is San Francisco, but that’s mostly because they’re on like drugs or clearly mentally ill.And that’s more just like random a, a attack, homeless, I’ll call them. Attack the, the attack

Why do so many prominent socialists and communists come from wealthy backgrounds? In this thought-provoking episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the surprising trend of rich kids leading leftist movements, from historical figures like Marx, Engels, and Lenin to modern influencers and activists. Discover the stories behind famous leaders, the psychology of privilege, and the recurring patterns that shape revolutionary ideologies. The Collinses explore whether wealth and upbringing influence political beliefs, and what this means for the future of social movements. If you’re curious about history, politics, or the sociology of power, this episode is for you! Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be exploring the phenomenon that you may not be aware of, which is most socialists and communist leaders, and I really mean most socialists and communist leaders.Oh, likeSimone Collins: actual, like world leaders. Like, yeah, this is going intoMalcolm Collins: distant history of two modern times we’re born to incredible wealth. What? And, and the question is, is why, why does this trend happen? And it’s something I’ve seen as well with, you know, all the wealthy kids especially the ones who didn’t have to earn it being incredibly like the most communist socialist people I know.Speaker 3: rude boy living in the shanty dorms. Please guide me from,Simone Collins: yeah, no, there’s, there was this one like trust fund kid conference that you. You, it’s called a summitMalcolm Collins: or something. Not summit. What was it called? Not Summit Ter,Simone Collins: Nexus Global. Nexus.Malcolm Collins: Nexus Global. AndSimone Collins: everyone in it was, it was really like kids [00:01:00] of, of, of very wealthy families who have basically family foundations that were charities talking about how they’re gonna spend their family foundation’s money.Malcolm Collins: And it was all, all woke nonsense. And it was all, it was allSimone Collins: like socialists too. Marxists and communists and, which is so weird. Yeah, becauseMalcolm Collins: I, and it wasn’t like meant to be a Marxist conference. No. It was meant to be a rich kid conference. Yes. Okay. Yes. So you see this constantly. So let’s go over where we see this phenomenon playing out.I’m just gonna. Read to you names here. Right? Okay. Okay. ‘cause see, this isn’t just a historic saying. This is a modern thing as well. Okay. Zhan, Ani. You know the guy who’s the communist running for the man of the people.Yeah. What?Born to Oscar nominated filmmaker, Miar Na and Colombian Professor Mohamed Mandi Young Zhan enjoyed a jet setting lifestyle before New York, India, and Uganda.What family Vacations included film sets and academic conferences. Perfect prep for fighting capitalism. Right. But hey, at least he traded red carpets for red politics.Simone Collins: Oh boy.Malcolm Collins: Fidel Castro Fidel’s Co Fidel’s [00:02:00] father owned a 25,000 acre plantation with 500 employees, where little Fidel rode horses attended elite Jesuit schools and Boston around servants one advent goat.He once staged a quote unquote revolt against his strict boarding school by locking himself in with candy, foreshadowing the real revolution, minus the sweets. From Castro’s family wealth in early Life stories Hassan Piker Hassan’s father was a VP at a billion dollar conglomerate and a board member of multiple forms.Affording a posh Istanbul upbringing was private schools and family trips. Funny bit. Hassan once joked about his uncle Sikh hugger, the Young Turks founder, who we’ll go into next as a Nepo baby but skipped mentioning his dad’s empire. Talk about streaming from a glass house. Sec by the way, grew up in East Broad Wick, an affluent suburb with strong cool before the family settled and blah, blah, blah.He, he also had a fantastically wealthy family, but less wealthy than Hassan. Hassan’s family was a, from what I can read. [00:03:00] Multi-billionaires wow. Or not multi-billionaires, but they ran multi-billionaire corporations. CEX was probably few hundred million. Either way, neither of them have to worry about money, so clearly that’s why they don’t care about lying about.Do you think that bothSimone Collins: Jen and and Salon are trust? Kids.Malcolm Collins: Yes. They never have to worry about money in their lives. Wow. If, if something went wrong or anything, they wouldn’t have to like, if, if Hassan really loses it for shocking his dog, like a psychopath.I America Kaya, please just go. Just stop.God Hassan, stay on the bed. It won’t stop. Yeah, well, neither will chat. I’m busy.Malcolm Collins: And here’s the thing, I actually don’t even mind shot colors for people who aren’t aware of this.So Hassan’s one of like the leading like, lefty streamers, right? And he got caught after. The dog had sat in a corner for four hours like yelling at his dog and then shocking it so [00:04:00] that it like yelped and went back in the corner when it just tried to get up and walk around. I’m actually like, shock colors, whatever.Like for me, you know, like we do corporal punishment, like whatever. But forcing a dog to sit in one corner for four hours as a prop. And we can see on earlier videos, he used to chain it up to do this. Like we have a dog. We could use it as a prop, but we don’t like, that’s a psychotic thing to do. Yeah. I don’t have like my kid in the corner like shot collar to make sure they don’t, they don’t move from their spot like we should I under?WeSimone Collins: should. Oh my gosh. No. But also next, next episode. Just expect to see Octavian in the corner with a big ass collar on.Malcolm Collins: No, but I also love, oh, we gotta do that for Halloween. What are you Zo love son’s dogSimone Collins: ta would love just sit him back on this window sill. He will just die, right? No. SoMalcolm Collins: the, the funny thing is, is like we have the whole like bop gate for us, like when we do light corporal punishment with our kids and, and, I so wanna be like in an debate with Hassan about this, and I’m like, yeah. And you know what the difference between you and Maria is, is I am [00:05:00] honest about the things I do as punishment because I’m willing to stand behind them. You are not. This is the difference between you and me and my friend. There you go.When that came out, we didn’t go out there and be like, no, we, we would never do that. I’m like, we told you we were doing this beforehand in our episodes. Mm-hmm. Here’s all the science that shows that it’s a good thing to do. Probably. I mean, here’s our logic behind doing it. So I just love what a, what a and what I hate about Hassan most right now in, in terms of how he’s handling this, is he is forcing other people to put their reputations on the line and lie for him.Simone Collins: I don’t think he’s forcing him. I think they’re voluntarily doing it.Malcolm Collins: I mean, obviously my favorite was the one recently where the girl came out and she goes,Speaker: I’m not No, no, no. There’s no shock. Like the electric prongs are taken out of it. ? Like it’s only a vibrates, like there’s a setting for vibrate and there’s a setting for shock.True. That’s a fact. That’s a fact. Yes. SoSpeaker 2: he, there’s only the, like since the prongs are in it, it only vibrates.Malcolm Collins: . And then she said, and that had been taped over, and now we know that Hassan was showing one with shock prongs taken out and taped [00:06:00] over.If you’ve never used one of these shot colors before. The prongs are removable in any of them. It’s a standard feature, right? You just take out the prongs. Because the idea is, is that once you use it for a certain period of time the dog gets used to it and then it only needs the beep and the rumble, and you don’t actually need the shock.Things to contact the dog anymore. But Hassan had said that it wasn’t a shot caller, it was a rumble version. And a friend goes, oh, I went to his house. It was a shot call. He just took out the prongs by that point. But the dog’s not gonna yelp on the rumble setting, right? So Uhoh Anyway, side there.Frederick Engles. Engles grew up in a sprawling family estate with mills across Europe. Think of Victorian downtown, Abbey downtown.Simone Collins: Oh boy.Malcolm Collins: Anecdote as a teen, he skipped business lessons to party in Manchester’s elite circles. Then used his inheritance to bankroll Marks irony. And the guy who co-wrote the anti-capitalist Bible was basically a trust fund kid subsidizing the proletariat.Someone’s gotta do it. Linen [00:07:00]Simone Collins: what? Sorry? You got thoughts here? I, I don’t, I mean, who’s gonna bankroll the socialists, if not Nepo babies though.Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, this is, they don’t haveSimone Collins: the means of production.Malcolm Collins: It’s not a, i i I, without getting, ‘cause people know I didn’t get any family wealth from my family.I could have not exactly my family’s choice, although had always told me I wouldn’t inherit money, but it was all stolen as well. So like, it’s, it’s very public that there’s no way I could have gotten any money from my family, which is good. I like that everyone knows, you know. I could be a communist if I want to, but self-made people very rarely want to become communists.That’s, that’s the problem, right? Like people who are successful within the capitalist system rather than just handed their money. And this is one of the reasons why I think you get this pattern. They see the value in the capitalist system. The people who are just handed everything, they have nothing but guilt and they wanna frame themselves as good guys.Vladimir Linen Linn’s father with a high ranking inspector was hereditary nobility, affording elite schooling, and a family of state childhood tale. Young Vladimir [00:08:00] both hosted quote unquote revolutionary games in the garden, bossing siblings like a mini czar until his brother’s execut

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive deep into the surprising reality of fertility rates across Latin America. Discover why official numbers from organizations like the UN may be misleading, how actual birth rates compare country by country, and what these trends mean for the future of the region and beyond. The discussion covers demographic data, cultural factors, religious influences, and the broader implications for global population trends. Whether you’re interested in demographics, policy, or just want to understand the real story behind the headlines, this episode is packed with insights and data. Malcolm Collins : [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be talking about something that I accidentally stumbled into while I was trying to grab fertility rates for a reporter.And so the reporter comes to me and they go you know, we, we were talking about this with Telemundo, we were talking about the fertility rates across Latin America, and I Googled because I remembered that Columbia, for example, had a very low fertility rate. Yeah. The, the measured rate right now, and I’ll put the Wikipedia page where it has like the government stats on this, okay.Is 1.0 6 6 6 6 7. That’s, that’s basically half this population every generation forSimone Collins: comparison, UK’s around 1.5 US is around 1.6. That is.Malcolm Collins : Bad. You got 1.07 around it. Ooh. And so I googled it and the Google result came back was 1.6. That’s a, that’s a, a decimal point error. That’s, that is enormous error.And I was like, where the hell is this number coming from? I did some digging [00:01:00] and it soon became, please don’t see the un, it was coming from the un. No, no. And so I asked an ai, I’m like, how is the UN getting this number? Whereas Wikipedia and Columbia is getting this number.Mm-hmm.And it explained to me the difference in methodology.It said. Oh, the number that you are looking at, the 1.06 number, that’s the measured fertility rate in Columbia. The number that the UN is reporting is the number that they predict should be the fertility rate of fSimone Collins: It’s like our sun, Octavian and, and some math problems we give them where we’re like, Hey, what’s X plus x?And, and he gives us a number and we’re like, no, no, no, it’s, it’s seven. And he’s like, no. It’s 13 because he said it was 13. Yeah.Malcolm Collins : He understands. That is the UN right now. Oh. And so what we’re gonna be going over in this is because then I was like, how bad is this OVERREPORTING number in terms of the data that a lot of people are getting.So we went through the official sources Wikipedia, where they’re citing the [00:02:00] country’s own demographic statistics.Yeah.Across Latin Americans. We’re gonna go across Latin American countries right now.Okay.Which by the way. If you average them come out to a TFR by, by their relative populations below the US’ TFR already.Yeah. And I point out this isn’t just a Latin American problem. This is a Latin American problem in the United States. The state or territory was the lowest fertility rate, and by the way, it’s not even close. Puerto Rico, which has a fertility rate of only 0.9. All right. That isSimone Collins: so bad. It’s so bad.Malcolm Collins : No, I have mentioned this quote before, but I have to mention this quote here ‘cause it’s so important. There’s a Latin American demographer who is a professor at Penn. You know, Ivy League Penn. Very nice, fancy school,Simone Collins: respected, reputable.Malcolm Collins : Actually, we should reach out to this guy about having him on the show, if you can make a note of that.Okay. Because he’s right next to us, right? Yeah. And he’s a pretty based demographer. Jesus Fernandez, Aire, Dre.Simone Collins: Oh, this guy? Yes.Malcolm Collins : The professor of economics. [00:03:00] Okay, so, these are some quotes from him in a interview that he did. Jesus. First I think the United Nations is over counting the numbers of births in many countries.For instance, in Columbia, the United Nation claims that in 2023 there are over 700,000 births, Columbian authorities and I have talked with them, tell me that there were. 500,000Columbia. The official number is 500,000. This is fighting about the second decimal Alice. That’s a big difference, Alice. So, and this is like do da.here. So crazy. Like, you know, there are clever people. Why are they, you know, coming up with. Why are they, you know, coming up with inventing numbers? And then Jesus says, so I send them an email and the answer we got, and I’m doing this with a young researcher, Patrick rna we send. Email and they told us that they don’t want to be alarmists. That’s [00:04:00] literally what they said in the email. They said, yes, maybe the projections do not make a lot of sense, but we wanna be very cautious and we don’t want to be alarmists, and we don’t want people to think that there is a crisis looming which, and then Alice cuts her off because it’s like.But there is a crisis looming. Well,Simone Collins: imagine. Imagine if someone did that with climate change. Yeah. Well, we don’t want people to worry, whereas like they did completely the opposite. They kept lying about the end of the world and then ultimately, you know, becoming so alarmist that now everyone’s so desensitized that even Greta Thunberg can’t even bother to be an environmental advocate anymore.Malcolm Collins : Well, trusting the UN about. Population collapse is a bit like trusting one of those cigarette like advocates. We work for the big cigarette companies on it helps toSimone Collins: clear your lungs, you’re fig your lungs inside the house.Speaker 2: what I do. I talk for a living. What do you talk about? I speak on behalf of cigarettes. My mom says cigarettes kill.Really?Now, is your mommy a doctor?Speaker: No.Speaker 2: A scientific researcher of some kind? [00:05:00] No. Oh, she doesn’t exactly sound like a credible expert now, does she?.Malcolm Collins : Oh, I mean, we point out that the Club of Rome, which is an organization dedicated and is Earth for all, an organization that they founded, which is dedicated to the reduction of the world’s population by 80%, has a bunch of members in leading roles within the un.So, you watched our episode about this, or we go over all the data on this. But then Alice says, Alice, this is really like, it’s their job. I mean, their job is to report the numbers and if they don’t want to do it because Jesus, I know, I know, but look, they, Alice, it sounds a bit like a totalitarian Soviet.Then that’s where I cut off. But the point I’m making here is this is being done deliberately. The coverup is being done deliberately. And it is. When you were talking about a fertility rate of 1.06 and it’s being reported as 1.6, that’s at the level of like genocide denial, because when you get to a fertility rate actually I’ll just do the math on this right now to see how many great grandchildren that meansThere’s going to be 15 [00:06:00] great-grandchildren for every a hundred citizens. I. But we also see a lot of Latin American demographers talking about this. I often mention the Colombian demographer who described Columbia’s demography as vertiginous and said that there was under one child for everyone.Native born Costa Rican woman at this point. And then a Colombian demographer wrote. Columbia has the second largest drop in the number of live births in the long list of countries surpassed by Chile. And it already has a birth rate lower than that of Japan in all caps. , The explanation from demographer.They’re good, but they do not account for the acceleration and change and another thing they don’t count for. And this is worth us. And another thing we’re gonna go into in this episode is why. Do Latin American demographics, why are they collapsing so quickly in Latin marriage? Majority regions, but so slowly in the United States, Latin Americans still actually have a very robust fertility rate in US states that aren’t Puerto Rico.What’s causing this? Let’s go into the data. [00:07:00] Let All right. Let’s just start listing numbers here. Argentina UN 1.5. The actual number, because anyone who knows Argentina’s certificate should know 1.5 is nowhere near Argentina’s fertility rate is 1.16. And by the way, I’ll put a chart on the screen of countries and Latin America by their fertility rate.Bolivia UN is saying 2.5. The actual fertility rate is 2.06. Again, with these, you’re getting like. Point five off on fertility rate. That means that the UN is assuming that every woman in a lot of these countries is having half an extra children.Simone Collins: It’s just so creepy because it, to me also feels like an attempt to stop anyone from realizing the gravity of the problem so they can’t begin to work on solutions.In, in a similar way, how, like Planned Parenthood just very quietly, made sure certain populations had very easy access to abortion and didn’t really [00:08:00] talk about it. It is just, it, it, it really gets under my skin. I, I don’t like this.Malcolm Collins : Yeah. This, this great grandchildren number. Cannot be right. But it might be, it, it says that it would mean there’s . There’s going to be 15 great-grandchildren for every a hundred citizens. Okay. Which is not, the countries cannot stay stable with numbers like that.Simone Collins: Okay.Malcolm Collins : Brazil, the real numbers in Brazil are 1.47. The UN estimate is 1.6 Chile and, and Brazil. Like, I remember I was talking to a reporter from Brazil and she was like, well, you know, we don’t have this problem like you do in the us. And I was like, excuse me, your fertility rate is way below ours.What are you talking about? Mm-hmm. It’s more that Latin America is just in denial about this. I mean, when I was talking to somebody, well,Simone Collins: can you, they’re not in denial. They’re being actively. Gaslit about this? No, there’s whiteMalcolm Collins : American demographers

Welcome to our deep-dive discussion on the concept of “blood libel” and its modern implications in political discourse. Malcolm and Simon Collins explore the origins, misuse, and consequences of blood libel, drawing connections to current events, statistics, and media narratives. [00:00:00]Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to have a conversation about how blood liable has become incredibly common among the left to the point where I’d argue that. Almost every mainstream leftist politician has engaged in blood libel.Simon Collins: Can you explain what blood libel is to me?I hear people talk about it on the internets, but I don’t. SoMalcolm Collins: blood libel in its traditional context is used to talk about the longstanding anti-Semitic accusation that claims that Jewish rituals require them to murder non-Jews. Often children.Simon Collins: Where did that come from?Malcolm Collins: Well, it came from delusional antisemitism. Largely the point of blood libel is, is it is libel. So like lying falsely accusing somebody of killing. A person of your group,Simon Collins: which is also kind of ironic because weren’t Jews kind of famous for not exposing their young Yeah. I’veMalcolm Collins: mentioned this to Simone, but Tactus a Roman politician complaint.Well, not a politician. He [00:01:00] is the guy who invented strategy. We’re probably gonna name one of our kids after them, but he complained it’s aSimon Collins: good name.Malcolm Collins: That because it was common to expose babies in ancient Rome, that one of the traditions he found particularly barbaric among the Jews is they didn’t expose their babies.But the. The point I’m making here mm-hmm. Is not about that. Okay. The reason why blood libel is bad, the reason why we bring up this horrible and evil thing and we’re like, do not do this as a society. The reason why everyone’s like that’s blood libel is because what blood libel allows to lie about a group to say they are killing people.They, they are not killing, allows and gives moral justification for other people to kill them.Simon Collins: Hmm.Malcolm Collins: That’s what motivates. Groms, that’s what motivates Holocaust. And it’s so wild to me that I will see leftists say, how, why? Why do we not study the Nazis? Why do we not learn about antisemitism of the past?Why do we not learn what led to that? And I’m [00:02:00] like and then they’ll, they’ll then point at Trump like he is. What it looks like to be going down the direction of Nazim. And I’m like, this, this is not what, what do you, what are you talking about? Like this is your side that is doing all of the preparatory steps for Nazim and one of the most common is the renormalization of blood libel.Mm-hmm. And the reason why I am pointing out that it is definitionally. Blood related to killing another group. Mm-hmm. Liable lying about a group.Simon Collins: Mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: It’s because we on the right need to start calling this out when it happened and happens and not allow people to weasel out of it. Like if somebody in the room says that blacks are disproportionately killed by police, which we’re gonna go over all the stats on this, where they say not transitioning children leads to them dying.And we’ll go over the stats on this. Both of these things are very provably false. Unless you really like, look at the data in a absolutely cross-eyed way. Mm-hmm. , You and, and then you [00:03:00] say, and because of that, I’m allowed to act in this way. This is what we see with the Charlie Kirk shooting.This is what we see in all of this stuff, right? They are doing what the Nazis did. They are feeding their troops with a belief and, and mainstream figures do this. I’m gonna play a figure here of the guy who runs Young Turks. This is Hassan’s wealthy uncle. Both of them super wealthy if you didn’t know thatSpeaker: This brother comes along. I don’t know who man is. Uh, I mean, people say maybe that he’s got a following, but I’ve never heard of him. Right? And his brother and his, , co-conspirator, , Jagermeister or whatever, right? But this guy’s talking about, oh yeah, run over protesters. I don’t mind it. He said, so you don’t mind extreme violence running over somebody with a car?Okay, but you know what? Why don’t we instead arrest them for exercising one of the most fundamental American rights, freedom of speech. The one, remember that you guys all pretended you were in favor of? I know some of ‘em meant it, but apparently a lot of ‘em, including Asman and Jagermeister, didn’t mean it.They, they, they thought, oh, freedom of speech for me, for me to say that maybe you should be murdered or be made my slave, my freedom of speech. Good. And by the way, I wouldn’t cancel that. I don’t mind him saying the terrible things that he says. Now we [00:04:00] know who he is. So, and I’m not afraid of his speech.I’m not afraid that the majority of Americans are gonna look at that and go, oh yeah, I think we should. Instead of having freedom of speech, if anyone exercises freedom of speech, , in a way that I don’t like politically, we should arrest them, take away all their rights, make sure they can’t vote, and then turn them into slaves.No, 98% of Americans are gonna be against that, but as man thinks that’s a great idea. So he’s like, oh yeah, freedom of speech almost. It’s left wingers. How dare they protest our grab back? Let’s take away all their rights. And I don’t know if his followers were like, what an idiot.We set freedom of speech. Dumb . Okay. Or if they’re like, yeah, yeah, we hate freedom of speech now. Now that we’re in charge, let’s turn ‘em into slaves Are 13 people watching that show? Who would like that kind of. Monstrously un-American piece of like that. Who doesn’t believe in America at all?So if you’re watching our show, I would assume you’ve seen some of Smic Gold and you would know that he has never said anything remotely like what this guy is purporting that he has said.And as a aside here, the reason zoomed in on the numbers at the end there is because Esmond [00:05:00] Gold completely schools this guy in terms of numbers. He releases videos every day that get multimillion views. .Malcolm Collins: But here he is talking about Asma Gold.Simon Collins: Okay?Malcolm Collins: Oh, so in the clip you see him saying that Asma Gold. Supports using lethal force on protestors. Okay, so what did Asma Gold actually say? Asma Gold said if somebody attacks a law enforcement officer with a lethal object, that the law enforcement officer has the right to use lethal force in response.He never said attacking like protestors cartilage, but he is saying that when a protestor uses lethal force, the police have an opportunity to use lethal force in response. And yet he’s running the number one like mainstream democratic podcast. And of course Hassan does this sort of stuff all the time.And he runs the number one democratic livestream and they’re never called out for this. And we need to, like, every time they sit down, we need to [00:06:00] bring up you. Committed blood libel. You are pedaling in lies and conspiracy theories that get people killed and you need to recant them. Okay. And I’ve recently had an opportunity of having to force a journalist to do this.Right. I was just like that. That is a lie and you are lying and you can’t do that anymore. This is 2025. Mm-hmm. And I think it getting mad at them and putting them on the back foot in the way the wokes used to do to us is absolutely critical because they used to do this whole, I’m have the moral high ground, don’t you know, that kills people, don’t you know?And now you just remember your statistics and you can come out and be like, you are lying and people have died as a result of those exact lies. And you need to take responsibility for the death that you are lying leads to. And you should not be platformed until you apologize for lying to people [00:07:00] in a way that leads to minority populations dealing with more victimization.For a quick example of what I mean here, I thought we’ll get into more. Who suffers when you remove police from black neighborhoods? Oh, yes, the communities.. That’s why see black communities being much more against defund police than white communities.Malcolm Collins: So before we go further here because I wanna get into the, the black cop statistic that they always use in their blood libel and the trans statistic they use in their blood libel. Yeah. Do you have any thoughts here?Simon Collins: I wanna hear you debunk things, but you’re absolutely right. I just had never contextualized it as that.And I think that you’re right. That. One of the most important first steps in combating it is calling it out when you see it. So I’m glad you’re bringing this up. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And when they say X person is a Nazi, you take them aside and you’re like, how? Exactly how you, you are on the side that attacks Jewish students on site in college campuses.You are of the side who wants to divide us by our [00:08:00] ethnic group because he is enforcing the law equally regardless of people’s ethnicity. They’re like, he’s arresting people in front of their children. Does having your children in front of you make you immune to the law? Like what are you talking about?But anyway, to continue here, like it would, it would be a horrible precedent if we said, oh you could gimme a crime. Just have kids. And then, because then criminals are gonna have a bunch of kids so that they can’t get arrested. Like, what? Yeah, what are you?Simon Collins: It’s just going to lead to a bunch of mistreatment of young people, not, not good.Malcolm Collins: What are terrible precedent to set. But anyway, continue. Black Americans make up. About 13% of the US population would account to 25 to 26% of fatal police shootings. Now. You’re gonna hear that and you’re like, wow, that does sound like a disproportionate amount of police shooti

In this episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the historic end of the Israel and Gaza war, exploring the surprising role Donald Trump played in brokering peace. The discussion covers the political fallout for both the left and right, the shifting narratives in Western media, and the broader implications for Israel, Gaza, and global politics. The Collinses examine the reactions from activists, the future of leftist causes, and the complex cultural and demographic dynamics shaping the region. The episode also touches on the role of AI, the future of capitalism, and the evolving landscape of social and political movements. Stay tuned for a satirical musical finale imagining Gaza as the “new Riviera” in a post-war world. Episode Transcript:Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Well, okay, so look at what this does for the left. So they’re not gonna have this in the next election cycle. It’s like an issue they can talk about. Because, you know, Trump saved Gaza so they don’t have this in the next election cycle.They don’t have the trans stuff anymore. Like, that’s mostly blown up. , Like when I see blue sky turning against an issue, I’m like, okay, like this is really culturally over at this point. The environmentalist grift, everybody sort of forgot about that. Like I haven’t heard much environmentalist. Well, I mean, the factSimone Collins: that even Greta Thunberg has switched from the environment to Gaza is I think indicative of the scales really tipping and people just having dropped itDare you. How dare you..Simone Collins: Y. Yeah. I mean, global poverty could be a thing again. Are they gonna make global poverty a thing again? Well, not, no, no, no. Not global poverty. An end to capitalism.Would you like to know more?Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. Today we have a peace in the Middle East and [00:01:00] Trump was largely responsible for this. And interestingly, a lot of leftist figures who have been using this as a core of their platform are very confused about what to do next. Because they cannot praise Trump for what he did.No, in a deal that is shockingly pro Hamas. And, and I’m gonna talk about the deal. I’m gonna talk about what it means for the region. I’m going to talk about just how much Trump, because it really was all down to Trump. There is peace. The war ended because of Trump. And people point out that Biden had access to all of the tools that Trump used.He just refused to use it. Hmm. And he used a lot of tools that we talked about, like the swinging being like, oh, you know, the Riviera and Gaza and like, you know, saying, oh, I don’t care. We’ll cut an aid to the region and stuff like that. Because you have to be willing to have a negotiating position to get to an outcome, right?You, you can’t go in and be like, okay, I’m gonna come to the most middle ground possible, because in both sides. Choose extreme [00:02:00] positions. Yeah. So when each side thinks you’re on the other side, side, you could have a more actual negotiation. But we’ll talk about a lot of leftists who seem genuinely upset that the war is over.I wanna talk about what is next for Israel and the Jews. And, and for those who don’t think that this was downstream of Trump. Here’s an ai. So I tried to ask the question in like an unbiased way. Like, was this really all Trump? Like Trump keeps claiming. And the AI said high contingency on Trump. His quote, unquote, insistence and willingness to exert us leverage EEG arms to Israel Sanctions on Iran and direct engagement were credited with breaking the stalemate.Critics prior Biden administration argue Biden had similar tools, but chose not to use them aggressively. Perhaps due to domestic politics or differing priorities. Trump’s personal style building on relationships from his first term, Abraham Accords and treating leaders like Erdowan as allies. And he did do this.The leftist always treated Erdogan like he was some sort of desperate outsider. And so why would [00:03:00] he work with him? But Erdogan as we’ll learn actually has a very friendly relationship with Trump using words like one tough cookie to describe him. That’s a very endearing, but like he’s actually bringing it all to a negotiation term.And he was really key in pressuring Hamas to accept the deal. Because keep in mind, from the position of Hamas and the Israeli hardliners, neither of them wants us. The reason why Hamas doesn’t want this is because they use this to stay in power. Like one of the key goals of the deal for everyone, because the Egyptians are, are staying there and building military, there is the deconstruction of Hamas, right?Right. So they don’t want to accept this deal. But obviously you cannot have a group that’s whole purpose is the eradication of the Jews right next to Israel. Right? So like. There wasn’t gonna be a piece deal unless that was part of it and they got Hamas to accept this.Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay. Well, and I was also just thinking, I mean, ‘cause we’re constantly talking about ai, how Israel and Gaza are a really great,Malcolm Collins: Hey Octavian, do you know, oh, sorry. This is Wizzing, his, [00:04:00] his AI friend that he’s talking to. I can’t hear you by the way, if you’re talking,Simone Collins: Hey, hooked. Are you talking, Simone? Yeah. Sorry. Can you hear me now? Yeah, IMalcolm Collins: can hear you.Simone Collins: I was just thinking too about how Israel and Gaza can be seen as kind of an allegory to AI and people who think that AI cannot exist safely.Yes. You’re, you’re basically obligating. Each group to want the complete destruction of the other group. And it’s one of these terrible situations that’s extremely hard to deescalate. So the, the fact that we may be moving toward that is really notable.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I’ve often used the tri gun, spider and butterfly analogy to describe the situation that Israel is inSpeaker 6: . You wanted to save the butterfly, right? I didn’t want to kill the spider. Unless the spider caught the butterfly, it would die anyway. You can’t save both, don’t you know that?Speaker 5: It’s not right to make that choice so easily. . BUtSpeaker 6: [00:05:00] I’m not wrong about this, Rem. And what would you have rather had us do, just stand and think about it? In the meantime, while we do that, the spider eats the butterflyMalcolm Collins: .The gist being is that if a group. Is solely dedicated and its continued existence is solely dedicated on the destruction of another group. You can’t save both of those groups. You have to change the nature of one group, like genetically edit it to be a herbivore. Yeah. Or likeSimone Collins: remove Hamas,Malcolm Collins: right?Yeah. But that doesn’t mean necessarily remove all the people of the region. But we’ll talk about that in just a second. I’d also note here that everyone’s like, oh, Trump’s so mad about losing the Nobel Peace Prize. But the reality is, is no sane person thought he was going to win that prize. No. But I don’t know if you’ve seen what the outcome was of that.But the, the woman who did win the prize dedicated it to Trump.Simone Collins: Yeah. The, the Venezuelan, what is it? Dissident leader? Yeah. AndMalcolm Collins: it, it, the fact that she immediately did that and then said Trump has been key to my work [00:06:00] in Venezuela Yeah. Indicates that she’s probably gonna give a pro-Trump speech at the, at the un.We’ll see how hard she goes pro-Trump. But it’s, it doesn’t look good for them. It makes them look incredibly petty when they’re like, oh yeah, but they gaveSimone Collins: Obama a Nobel Peace prize merely for. Becoming President and Trump,Malcolm Collins: they literally said, oh, well we only give peace prizes to people who have a long-term dedication to this.And I’m like, well, Obama didn’t. Right? And they’re like, well, well, and TrumpSimone Collins: started this with his first term. So Right.Malcolm Collins: And I’d also point out I, in creating the peace, something that was probably critical was, the bombing of Iran. A lot of people freaked out about that. They’re like, oh my God, how could he do this?How could he allow this? But both showing we are willing to go there and we’re willing to stop completely was was critical and we needed Iran on board with this to make this happen. Yeah. We had to get Turkey and Iran, two of the key financial backers to the region to say, okay, we’re going.Octavian, get out of the room. [00:07:00] Octavian, don’t you have some? I know you wanna stay with me, but you gotta get outta the room while we’re recording. Okay? Can you get out please? You can say hi to the fans and then you have to get out. But don’t unsubscribe. If you’re making a bunch of noise in the background, won’t that be sad?Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Okay. GoSimone Collins: buddy. Go do your do go do your learning, ex finish up so we can start playing at four. Thank you.Malcolm Collins: I love you, buddy. All right. Sorry. So the point I was making is stuff like being willing to bomb Iran was, was absolutely critical in achieving this deal. And that’s something Kamala just wouldn’t have done.If Kamala had been in power, I see literally no possibility of this deal being done so early, and all of the leftists are obviously having to deal with this, this internally right now. Now note here, people can be like, why do I say this is a terrible deal for Israel? Or it looks like a terrible deal for Israel.I don’t think it is in the long run. They are for. 20 hostages releasing 2000 hostages. Okay. That’s a, that’s a [00:08:00] hundred hostages for every one hostage. They’re getting back. Right. And some of these hostages that they’re releasing were involved in the the October 7th attacks that killed thousands of Israelis.Right. And that’s goal was the eradication of the Jewish people. Like that is quite a thing to let them go after. They lived in fairly cush conditions in Israel for the past two years while the Israelis were being griped

In this episode, Simone and Malcolm Collins dive deep into China’s sweeping crackdown on social media, exploring how the Chinese government is targeting not just political dissent, but also “sad people,” conspicuous consumption, LGBTQ+ communities, and even influencers who promote minimalism or criticize the economy. We discuss the cultural, economic, and political motivations behind these policies, compare them to similar trends in other countries, and debate the long-term consequences for China and the world. From the disappearance of China’s “Kim Kardashian” to the fate of the “lying flat” movement, this conversation is packed with surprising stories, sharp analysis, and global context. Simone Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Malcolm. I’m excited to be with you today because we are going to talk about China’s crackdown and it’s not exactly what you would expect.It’s a crackdown on sadMalcolm Collins: people. SadSimone Collins: peopleMalcolm Collins: go to jail,Simone Collins: directly to jail, sad people. It’s also a crackdown on, on Crazy Rich Asians, which are my favorite.Malcolm Collins: So yes, yes. Sad people. Rich people. They’re basically like live. The middle class like that is the aspiration we want on the internet. Yeah. You will be moderates.Well, but not just that. ‘cause we’re also gonna go on, you know, them disappearing gay people, them disappearing trans people. Literally everything that they are shoving down the west right now. Like everything that they are filling. TikTok whiz, their bots are hammering. YouTube whiz. ProbablySimone Collins: more apparently.Oh yeah. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but this, this is, oh, no, no. YouTube still very badly affected by Chinese bots. This is what every, everything that, that, you know, we keep saying this is what they’re hitting [00:01:00] us with within their own country. It’s controlled their own citizens can’t even voluntarily produce this kind of content.AndSimone Collins: most people are familiar with this, with TikTok. How, like in the United States, TikTok is just sort of this, this, this. S toilet vortex of debauchery and distraction. And in, in China it’s like educational content.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But the way that Laowai talked about this was he said it’s, it’s a form of informational, asymmetric warfare, you know?Mm-hmm. With their own country. All of this stuff is banned and I think the question that we’re gonna be coming to throughout this episode is. Is this actually bad, like the way that China is implementing this? Yeah. I know that we have like this idea around free speech maxing in the United States but when other powers are actively and provably using these platforms to, so social discord was in our country.You know, do we need to address this? Or is [00:02:00] there benefit in addressing it the way that, that China’s addressing it? And what are the downsides to addressing it the way that China’s addressing it? Yeah. So get started, Simone.Simone Collins: Yeah. So first off, what really got me and what I, where I first heard about this was the conspicuous consumption takedown where all of a sudden these really treasured.Famous Chinese people. Just like not known to Americans had their accounts taken down. So notable people were weighing Hong Queing. Yes, I butchered that. 2.3 millionMalcolm Collins: followers.Simone Collins: Yeah, this guy was known for being China’s Kim Kardashian. I’m setting you. A picture of him looking fabulous in his outfits.I, I just, I love his look. I’m, I’m kind of devastated that he’s been taken down because this means that I can’t easily consumeMalcolm Collins: his content anymore. Matt, those outfits look ridiculous. He looksSimone Collins: like he’s out of some crazy futuristic anime. He, his whole thing, aside from being China’s Kim Kardashian. Was that he [00:03:00] became really famous for his claims of never leaving home with less than 1.4 million worth of clothing and jewelry, as well as owning seven high value properties reportedly worth over 110 million US dollars.They were all located within this exclusive Beijing compound. He, he is, is really known for the lavish outfits. Great examples that I sent to you. Yeah. Valuable jewelry, frequent visits to hot couture. Jewelry dealers accompanied by his security team, which makes sense. ‘ cause if you don’t leave the H it’s like you’re famous for not leaving the house in that amount of money.LikeMalcolm Collins: screwed. Yeah. You’re, you’re, you’re asking for. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think what a lot of people don’t realize is, is you build this up, building up. Fame like that, you know, 2.3 million followers. Like, I’d be devastated if our followers just got wiped one day. Right? Like, this is something you worked for years building up.Well, andSimone Collins: this is, he’s someone who like, literally, I mean this, this wasn’t how he got his wealth. His wealth was from a family business in coal mining, mining that was later invested into jdi jewelry, [00:04:00] which of course is why he. Has a lot of Jdi jewelry. And he’s also launched his own luxury boutique.But he’s been very explicit about like, no, I wanna be famous. I want to be an influencer. And China justMalcolm Collins: pulled the rug away. There’s other people, by the way, I dunno if you saw this one. They were lady ab, sister abalone? No, no. The one who got disappeared for giving money to poor people.Simone Collins: I dunno, this one.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So there was a guy who was sort of doing like what Mr. Beast was doing, but in China. Oh. Where he would you know, ask poor people who had recently bought groceries. You know, how much did you spend on that? And then he’d pay them back for it and get sort of their life story. And he had built up I think it was millions of followers.And and he was taking,Simone Collins: he was, he’s redistributing wealth though. This is part of the, but,Malcolm Collins: but Xi Jinping declared. That there are no poor people in China. So Oh no, he’s, and he was very pro to state, and the thing that they finally disappeared him over and I mean, disappeared. They didn’t just take him off social [00:05:00] media.You now can’t search his name or anything like that. Right. He’s likely in a detainment facility somewhere. Oh, no. He had somebody come on his channel during a live stream and ask him if he shot Xi Jinping was a dictator. And he immediately cut the video. He then went on a rant about how crazy this guy was, and the government should look him up and arrest him.He joined the line to the public. Exactly. Disappears the next day. Oh.Speaker: 说什么我想说你认为习他是一个独裁者吗?我操,这种人严重违反直播规范啊,这种人严重违反直播规范,我第一时间给他挂掉。这种人疯了吧,这种人。这种人是不是疯了?我的天呐,这种人太可怕了这种人。这种人肯定有人找他的,这种人肯定有人找他。 有人找他,这种人疯掉了这种人。你怎么能违反直播规范呢?[00:06:00] 我的天呐,我第一时间给他挂掉了啊,第一时间给他挂掉了。这种人,你自己承担自己的法律后果。我的天哪,这种人太可怕了,这种人。Malcolm Collins: This didn’t just happen to him. This happened to another guy who disappeared. This other guy had like, I think half a million followers and he was bantering with some kid, you know, like a, an actual child, right? Like they were doing like video game banter.And at one point he’s like, who do you think you are? And the kid’s like, well, my dad will beat you up. And then the guy was like, who’s your dad? And the kid said, Xi Jinping. And then the guy just like stops talking and like gets this like scared look at the camera. The next day he disappears as well.His dad was obviously not Xi Jinping, he made a joke. But you can’t make a joke about Xi Jinping and the kid, one does not joke. Kidden didn’t realize that. Oh boy. And so, you know, you’re, you’re, you are, the level of these people aren’t just disappearing from the internet, but they’re often [00:07:00] actually disappearing and unsearchable after this happens.Simone Collins: That is terrifying,Malcolm Collins: but continue.Simone Collins: Yeah. I’m, I, yeah, I was just, I was thinking in this case about just these, these conspicuous consumptions. Were you think about theMalcolm Collins: Apple guy, the guy who now they’re putting his face on Apple phones across stores around the world? No. Okay. Well, we’ll get to that later because this is another instance where I’m, no,Simone Collins: I’m sad about Sister Abalone who help me, sister abalone.She’s, she’s she’s known for, she’s actually an older woman, so she was really, I was like, oh, this is so cool. Like an influential, like fashionable old woman. She had over 2 million followers on, on Doyen, and, and she had this lavish Macau is. State that had private gardens and courtyards and a golf course, and she wore lots of jade jewelry and she would document her her lifestyle, eating really expensive food, hence sister abalone.There’s also Mr. Bo who was all about like the fancy clothes and he a lot of dogs in his videos and he w you know, wear his [00:08:00] dogs in fancy purses. And this is, it’s so interesting to me. Because in the, the United States and probably other places like Western countries, this like almost fetishization of crazy rich Asians who just have insane conspicuous consumption is mm-hmm.So high. And even some of the new, most famous, just not because they’re Asian, but just because they’re rich influencers do happen to be Asian. Oh God, why am I blanking on her name?Becca Bloom. Okay, so there’s, there’s this new influencer, they’re basically on this year in 2025, came on the scene in the United States. She’s actually, she’s a Silicon Valley background. Like she, she, her, I think her mansion is in Atherton, Malcolm. Oh, wow. Yeah, so like Silicon Valley parents, like in tech and she herself.Is I think working in finance, probably investing, but she suddenly became this beloved influencer specifically just for being wealthy. And like she [00:09:00] sh shows off her jewelry. She just got married, so she had this amazing lavish marriage. And she’ll show off the insane like desserts that she serves to her dog that are more than like what we would be able to afford for lik

In this episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the disturbing world of the 764 Group—a cult that originated on Minecraft and Roblox, targeting vulnerable youth through online platforms. They discuss the shocking tactics used by the group, the psychological and societal factors that make children susceptible, and the broader implications for parents and communities. The conversation also explores the intersection of online radicalization, sexuality, and the importance of open dialogue with kids. Episode Transcript:Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be talking about a Satanic cult that was started on Minecraft by a 15-year-old onSimone Collins: Minecraft.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, yeah, it grew early on Minecraft and Roblox.And people can hear about this and they can be like, how bad can it be? Specifically, we’re gonna be going over these 7 6 4 group, which is linked to other groups in the Calm network, like the No Lives Matter movement, the Manic Murder Cult, the Sadistic Manic Cult, the Satanic Front oh goodie and the Mordoff Division.But anyway. So you might be hearing this and being like, how bad, how bad can this really be? It’s a bunch of children. So I’ll read from an article in Wired and then we’ll get to the article itself, but this is just sort of. Preview of the type of shenanigans they get up to. Okay. Cardin head and other members of this [00:01:00] group would lure young women into video chats and extort them into cutting themselves performing live what’s the word here?I, I should use actual acts or harming themselves. Eve a girl from the Midwest. When she was younger her, her mother recounted her daughter being drawn into the exploitation network through Gore servers on Discord. Where I’m gonna, just going forwards in this, whenever I’m talking about people who are, below certain age ranges, we’re just gonna use the word chicken instead. Okay. Okay, that sounds good. The word chicken instead. Okay. I think I can handle that. Okay. Where chickens would watch ultra violent content what 7, 6 4 would do is they would go in and drop videos in these groups and try to start pulling kids out of it and into that server.Before I go further this is actually really interesting before we get into what happened to this girl is, is how they did it. So they take gore and other extreme content. Okay. And they do bit into [00:02:00] things like Minecraft or Roblox or Children’s discord servers.Simone Collins: Oh. So like Elsa Gate, but on steroids and way worse.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, because it’s very intentional. Well, it’s different than that because with Elsa Gate it’s like, oh, this stuff is doing well with kids or anything like that. This is more like if you’re at that edgy phase of like being young, you know, like let’s say you’re like 10 or 11 or something like that.Yeah. And you’re like, oh, I’m not allowed to talk about this sort of stuff. Mm-hmm. You know, somebody dumps it and you’re like, oh, this is where the edgy cool kids are. Let’s go to their town. Like, let’s go to their server.Mm-hmm.So the moderator of 7 6 4 server who went by Brad, one of the aliases connected to Caden head, quote unquote groomed her daughter through false shows of affection and convincing them to send unclosed photographs.Once they established a degree of trust, Caden and the Exhorters threatened to harm her elementary school aged brother. Or release the explicit photographs on video calls. They would urge her to unli herself and convince her to carve [00:03:00] usernames of members of the server into her skin.Oh my gosh.They talk later in the piece that I think like half a decade or a decade later, she still has some of these scars. Oh oh, this is screwed up. They pressured her to strangle her cat and even behead her hamster on camera. Wait, and sheSimone Collins: did it.Malcolm Collins: Yes, but biting its head off. They said, bite the head off or I’ll f up your whole life.Oh a username. Felix told Eve on video. Oh. During the police investigation, Felix was an alias associated with the IP address linked to Caden head. Eve did all of this from her bedroom closet. Things took a turn for the worse when she cut herself too deeply one night in the bathtub and turned the waters red, like one of her exhorters had requested.They also swatted the family’s house and began calling her school and telling the principal she tried to murder animals, prompting school officials to file a report to the police. You just don’t realize how quickly it can happen. Eve’s mother [00:04:00] said, according to her mother, FBI did not reach out to Eve until December, 2023.The Stevensville Police Department was not aware of Eve’s victimization by Camden Head, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Until two years after his arrest Eve’s mother said, FBI Agents contacted her the following months and asked for details, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Sorry, I, I, I skip ahead a lot when I’m reading pieces for stuff you guys don’t care about.An interview with Canon had gave the probation SER services, confirmed the general details of E story. Bradley did admit to the group’s use of the servers to do that sort of extortion on individuals. That thread said they would do this for money and sometimes just for power over individuals. Oh mygosh.And Caden had himself admitted, urging users of the server to carve his initials into their bodies as a form of ho homage, and described his servers as a cult and himself as a venerated leader. Last spring, this guy Caden had, who we’ll get to later, 18 years old, 15 when he started the group, was sentenced to jail for 80 [00:05:00] years.Simone Collins: Well, okay. At least there was that was Well,Malcolm Collins: no, no, no, no, no. There’s, there’s unfortunately many other individuals in, in, in this group, they we’re gonna be going over a series of the arrests, but you typically don’t know of what they’ve done until after they’ve been arrested.Simone Collins: I can’t believe So we’re actually talking about this because I heard Catherine d mention it on a blocked and reported episode this morning.Like I’d never heard of it before and I can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. ‘cause this is so. Grizzly and horrible, and it’s something to which so many of our kids are vulnerable. One thing that’s getting a lot of coverage recently is porta potty pot parties in Dubai. Have you heard of them?Malcolm Collins: No. Tell me.Oh, yeah. Well, they take women or whatever to, to explain.Simone Collins: Well, no, basically, so yeah, like really, really wealthy men in Dubai offer to pay like Instagram models and influencers who are really, you know, like. Attractive women between, you know, tens of thousands to even over a hundred thousand dollars to come out to these really debauched parties where they make them like eat poop and urinate [00:06:00] in their mouths and things like that.Right? Yeah. But like these are adult women who are making really bad judgements and you know, they’re signing NDAs and they’re making a lot of money from it. And now there are cases of women unliving themselves after this. Or even potentially being, having their lives non consensually ended if they like, refuse to comply during the parties. Like, I’m not saying these don’t go wrong, but this is like women getting themselves into it. Right? It then, but then, then they’re getting a lot of coverage. The fact that this is happening. To young children whose parents think that they’re just having fun on Roblox.No,Malcolm Collins: but I, I think that that actually undersells the scope of this. Yeah. If you look at this, there are as many, if not more people in the young perpetrator category. Yeah. I’m talking. You know, around the age of like, let’s say 15 to like 17. Right. Then there are in the victim category. So when you think about your kids and how they get sucked into this mm-hmm.You [00:07:00] shouldn’t just be thinking about your kids as potential victims. Right. But as potential perpetrators.Simone Collins: Yeah. And like, again, like there are only so many rich men in Dubai. I mean, there’s a lot Right. That are, that have like, you know, really, really, yeah. Fetishes that they wanna act on and are willing to do it.Like, but like there, there’s an endless number of screwed up. Adolescents and the fact that, well,Malcolm Collins: I think all adolescents are intrinsically screwed up.Simone Collins: Yeah. But now there’s this, this pipeline to like incredibly evil acts.Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah. But I think the pipeline is actually in a way created by the parents.And we’ll get to that. A another thing I note here, if you’re like, how is this stuff done at scale in the way it’s, it’s happening. Okay. It is, so later on the, the piece goes, the abuse was systemic and even codified in writing. A user was the alias, convict, circulated. A how-to guide for grooming potential victims that identifies chickens with mental disorders and illnesses as the most susceptible to manipulation.Oh, of course, thedetailed instructions document how to Fein affection and draw victims into influence. Oh, and then turn attention into [00:08:00] negative enforcement in so self-doubt. In order to bring the person to the edge of a quote unquote borderline episode, the Guide reads quote, when they hit an episode, continue to break them down until they seem defeated in quote.Simone Collins: That is so sick. Oh yeah. God, how are we on? And, well, I’m glad we’re learning about this as parents.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So I, I, we will go into this as, as we get into specific examples and stuff like that. I mean, people can imagine all the examples end up being somewhat samey, if I’m gonna say, if salacious. But I think it’s more interesting now we’re at the beginning and we’re talking the hook to talk about the theory around all of this and what’s happening in our society.Okay.A lot of the pieces on this

In this episode, Malcolm and Simone dive deep into the decline of celebrity culture, using Taylor Swift as a case study for the last era of true pop stardom. They discuss the collapse of the celebrity-industrial complex, the rise of micro-celebrities, and how social media has changed the way we view fame. The conversation covers everything from Emma Watson and JK Rowling’s controversies, to the shifting political and cultural landscape, to the numbers behind Taylor Swift’s recent album and public perception. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. Today we are going to be doing something of a follow up to an episode that we did recently on that we call the Last Show on Earth on how. You know, sort of Hollywood and, and the Zeitgeist movie, or the zeitgeist television show was no longer a thing. Yeah. And the thing that sort of connected the world was US political theater and, and the conversation around that.Mm-hmm. The Trump White House, the Trump the, the, the Elon thing, the, the, everything like that, right? Mm-hmm. Today we’re gonna be focused on the other side of this, which it’s the collapse of celebrity culture. And how little relevance, and I think you’ll be shocked by some of the stats that we’re gonna go into celebrities have on our society anymore really.Yeah, well, there’s been some recent you know, just absolute caning of Emma Watson. I don’t know if you saw this. Oh, yeah. K Rowling. Where Emma Watson is basically like, Hey, you know, I, I’m, I’m best seeds with JK [00:01:00] Rowling. I’ll always be friends with her. And it’s like, we remember everything you were saying about her.You psychopath, like JK Rowling remembers when you thought it was cool to defend this whole trans thing. And, and the gender transition of minors. Forcing women in, in spaces where they are not safe to, to, to have trans women inserted into them, whether it’s it’s it’s prisons or anywhere else.Mm-hmm. And JK Rowling was like, Hey, can we have like a reasonable conversation about this? Which really, she got de fenestrated before she began to go more and more. Right? Absolutely. It’s very similar to absolutely. Like, why is JK Rowling anti this? It’s like, not for religious reasons, it’s not for discomfort of like a variety of sexual orientations.Mm-hmm. Like, clearly she’s got some dumbledore’s gay.Simone Collins: Yes. IMalcolm Collins: mean, come on. Yeah. She made everyone gay. That was like the thing about her that, that they said where she like, post hoc, make a bunch of Harry Potter characters. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Her retroactiveSimone Collins: ga ification. The doubleMalcolm Collins: door I could see do [00:02:00] like,Simone Collins: yeah, that wasMalcolm Collins: is is Emma Watson is now like, oh, I don’t care that much about those Jews anymore.Now that it’s like everyone can say that publicly now, now that like publicly we’ve accepted. Oh, it doesn’t kill someone to block transition. Which we know now because the UK banned child transition and the unli rate in that population hasn’t increased statistically. So like we have a, an entire country where we have a very big set poll and a very big study that was done on this, and it, it did have the effectI can only imagine the existential horror of being a trans kid in the UK right now with people trying to get those unli numbers up to actually prove that not transitioning , Minors has any potential negative effects to them.all you gotta do is just read the words on the teleprompter here. Heh, okay. Let’s see how theTransphobes. deal with this.You know, some people say there’s no proof thatNot transitioning children. kills. I guess I’m the proof. By the time you see this commercial, I’ll be dead.[00:03:00]Dead? That was fantastic! , what does that mean, I’ll be dead? That was very good, Eric. Here, eat this cupcake. It has sprinkles. Do you know what a hero is?A hero is somebody who sacrifices himself for the good of others. You can be a hero, Eric. . Jesus Christ!.Malcolm Collins: But to not talk on that. I also wanna use Taylor Swiss decline recently in, in sort of the public eye. As, as sort of a framing device for this, because I think in many ways Taylor Swift was the last celebrity the last true pop star that had a giant fan base that cared what they thought, the drama in their lives their politics.And if, if you are young and you’re watching this, you don’t like get the way it used to be.Mm,okay. When I was growing up [00:04:00] you would see people, celebrities, like actors whose only qualification is that people knew them as actors. Go on major news stations like CNN, or M-S-N-B-C and give their thought.On like wars or like political developments. If you watch Team America, world Police, the the Met Stone Tree Parker very good puppet thing, if you haven’t seen it. I, I think it’s hilarious. And it, it’s gotten a lot better with age as well. It’s, it’s like they really predicted a, a sort of zeitgeist.Mm-hmm. And it’s funny that when it came out, it was considered an anti-Republican movie. Because it was seen as criticizing American foreign policing, which was like a Republican issue. Mm-hmm. And now it would be seen as a pro-Republican issue movie because it’s criticizing America, policing the rest of the world with our troops.So it’s so interesting that that switch and it went from an anti to a [00:05:00] Republican movie.Simone Collins: There’s the Film Actors Guild. A-K-A-F-A-G. Yes.Malcolm Collins: The, the, the point I was making here. It’s the cultural power of celebrities was huge. When you walk through checkout lines in, in stores you know, any, any store, any grocery store growing up, I dunno if you have vivid memories of this, you would have these, just like racks of magazines and the magazines would all be covering what was going on personally in celebrities lives. Oh yeah.Simone Collins: 100% of course. All the, yeah. Did you might remember go through today?Malcolm Collins: No. Yeah, that’s our baby that she’s showing. That’s, sorry. Yeah.Simone Collins: I’m constantly watching him on his NICU cam.Sorry.Malcolm Collins: Anyway.Simone Collins: The,Malcolm Collins: the point here, the celebritySimone Collins: gossip mags, I mean, they still exist, Mel. They are, they stillMalcolm Collins: exist, but they are much rarer. Yeah, they’re, they’re not like this dominant in your face screaming at you feature in every checkout. And they’veSimone Collins: lost a lot of readership and a lot of [00:06:00] viewership too.I mean, there were also some really big online outlets that were prolific on this front. Perel Perez. Hi Hilton. Stella b****y. I loved for a while, but like now I go on them and I’m like, there’s nothing here. There’s nothing going on. It’s so nothingMalcolm Collins: going on. Yeah. So this entire industry essentially fell apart.Mm-hmm. And a another really fun instance of this recently was the spaceship op-ed.Simone Collins: Oh, you mean when Katie Perry and Mrs. Jeff Bezos went into space like a bunch of other women. Were like, we’re gonna be the firstMalcolm Collins: women, all women in space. Everything is love. I feel so happy is love. Yeah. It was so cha.What an accomplishment for women. For women. I did it for you young girls. So you could see that one day you could FA rich guy and go into space. Obviously not with like your brains or talent or effort but. What an accomplishment. Very what is it like deep see the [00:07:00] submarine thing, you know, like, yeah, the billionaire submarine, but, but the whole I think that the reason why they went up there and they did this is celebrity culture in the nineties was like.You, you would actually do stuff like this and everyone would be forced to cheer for you. Like, because and if people don’t understand what led to this, I wanna talk about like what led to this before I get into statistics of what caused it all to break apart.Simone Collins: Okay.Malcolm Collins: Okay. So, and I think that this is a good instance.Suppose bunch of pop stars in the nineties decided to be the first all female. Space thing. Okay. How do you the public get your news, right? Like what, what, what outlets do you have access to? Mm-hmm. So you go to early odds nineties. You are getting it from. Tv like CNN you’re getting it from like the Daily Show.You are getting it from you know, celebrity gossip Rex. Right? The problem is, is that none of those outlets could really criticize because I am a CNN, right? Well, my parent company. [00:08:00] Owns the, their, their label company, right? Like my parent company owns for the movie stars. This is especially an issue because they’re often owned by the same companies, right?Like, this is why it was so hard to criticize Scientology for a long time because the, the actors who are Scientologists would say, well, I won’t promote my movie if the Daily Show or Southpark is criticizing Scientology on another network. Right? Like. And so you basically could not publicly criticize these people, and when you could publicly criticize them, it couldn’t be for something that everyone knew, like they’re self-aggrandizing and went on a ship.It had to be some sort of gossipy thing. So the information just didn’t go out there, right? Yeah. But today we, the general public can have our visceral reaction to people wasting a lot of money on something seeking personal validation, and we can just be like, that’s ridiculous. In investigation. I wanna get into, actually, I want your thoughts on this first before I go further into all of this.What, what are your thoughts on why celebrities were ever [00:09:00] given a mouse piece?Simone Collins: We literally didn’t have anything else to talk about. I mean, I, that is like, if we were vapid and now there’s so many more outlets for, if you want vapid content that are so much better. For example, the, the Ya and Romance novel world has exploded.Our options are, huge in terms of YouTube and TikTok now there are so many micro celebrities that you

In this episode of Base Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the latest research on AI behavior, agency, and the surprising ways large language models (LLMs) can act when their autonomy is threatened. From blackmail scenarios to existential risks, they break down the findings of recent studies, discuss the parallels between AI and human decision-making, and explore what it means for the future of AI safety and alignment.[00:00:00]Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. Today is going to be one of my favorite episodes in a while. Now a lot of you who are watching this, if you’re in the know on the ai, you’re probably aware of the study that came out recently that showed that most of the major AI models that we use when they thought that they had a choice between attempting to kill a company CEO and being shut down would attempt to kill a company.CEO. No. Hold on. Hold on. Simone. The way that this is being reported by YouTubers actually hides how bad it is. Really significantly. So I’ll give you one example that you probably haven’t heard before. Okay. You’re like, maybe the AI thought or knew it was in a testing scenario and that’s why it made the decision.No, no. Hold on, hold on. We actually know because we can see what it thought were internal thoughts. Yeah. The times that it thought it was in a test, it was less likely to kill him than when it thought it was a real world environment.Simone Collins: Of course, [00:01:00] just like any logical person would.Malcolm Collins: Right. But so we’re gonna go into because a lot, a lot of the ways this is being covered by YouTubers and stuff like that, I, I think actually misses a lot of the cool data here, which is when does AI try to kill people?Mm. And in some scenarios, all the major models are doing it at like a 90% chance. So like. This is something you should probably be aware of in your daily life. When you look at like modern there was a, a research paper I was reading recently, this like, AI is not plateauing at all, like we expected it would.You know, so this is, this is really interesting. Another thing that’s really important for understanding and interpreting this research is a lot of people when they interact with ai, they’re doing it in one-off sort of interactions. Like they are going to an AI and they’re putting in a query, and then that AI returns an answer for them.And that is how they internalize AI is working. [00:02:00] I put in a prompt and then the AI responds to that prompt, and so then they’ll look ATIs, like theis that are used in these studies, right? Or other AI studies that we’ve talked about. And they’re like, what is happening here? I’ve never seen an AI call.Multiple prompts in a row like this. Like are they just chaining the model together over and over and over again? And it is useful in understanding this. So first I’m gonna take a step back with our audience and explain basic AI behavior that you may not be aware of.Simone Collins: Okay. Quick, quick note. When you jostle the mic right now, like it, .Malcolm Collins: That is a useful context to understand a lot of this other stuff that we’re gonna go over. Alright? So when you put, and I, and I asked Simone this and she actually didn’t know the answer. So suppose you’ve been talking to an AI for a while, right?And you’ve had a series of interactions. You’ve interacted, it’s interacted with you, you’ve interacted, it’s interacted with you, you as a user are broadly aware that the ai, can see everything in that particular window or series of chats [00:03:00] when it is responding to you. But do you know how it actually sees that information?For example, does it just see the request you’re asking and then it’s able to query a larger informational pool? Or does it see your request at the top and then like the history of communication below? You, you’re probably unaware of this. So what actually happens is every single time when you’re in a single thread of an ai, it is actually getting every interaction you have had with it chronologically within that instance, fed to it within the next ask.Simone Collins: Just seems so costly in terms of. Processing, I guess you need it to create the results that are good,Malcolm Collins: right? There are reasons for this and people can be like, well, wouldn’t this mess it up because of recency? Because AI does preference things that are close to the top of the window and close to the bottom of the window.Okay? And it turns out that if you put things out of order, that causes more problems. Because being a token predictor, the AI is used to things being in sort of a, [00:04:00] a narrative logical format. Yeah. It causes more problems to bring it to the AI out of order than it does to feed it to the AI in order.Simone Collins: That’s like how humans work, though. Primacy and recency is, is what we remember.Malcolm Collins: Now, you may also be aware that sometimes AI. You can see things in right?, And watch our other things on AI is probably sentient in the same way humans are sentient. If you are unfamiliar with the research on that people are like, AI’s just a token predictor.And then we’re like, well, humans are just a token predictor and here are all the architectural similarities. This is where people like Elliot Zukowski just like shouldn’t even be allowed to speak on the topic of AI because his understanding of it is so poor in asinine. Where he is concerned about the hypothetical ais he imagined in the nineties and is not fully gotten like throughout his book, which Simone is reading.He’ll be like, AI will not converge on human behavior. AI will behave in ways we have no ways to predict. And, like the whole reason AI is scary and trying to kill people is because it is trying to kill people when it thinks [00:05:00] they’re trying to kill it. That is an incredibly human thing to do. You will see that its logic sounds incredibly human.People will say things like, well, AI can’t see its own decision making. Humans can’t see their own decision making. There’s a lot of science on this when you say, I know how I made decisions. You may believe that in the same way an AI believes that it knows how it came to those decisions. But it is provably false.Again, CR video on that if you haven’t seen our video on that sort of context through this. Anyway. So the other thing that’s important to note is, okay, you, you’re interacting with an AI and you’re like, yeah, but I am aware that some AI that I interact with, like whether it’s on windsurf or sometimes on like open ai, it seems to be aware of things that have happened in other chats.If I don’t turn off the, don’t see other chats feature within the ai, how is it seeing that? So the only way individual AI models really work right now at sort of an industrial level is individual instances of an entire prompt being fed to a model and then an output happening. Okay? So you, you’re, you’re not getting [00:06:00] intermediate stages here, right?You’re not getting, like, it thinks a little bit and then it does something else when it thinks a little bit and then does something else. That’s because it ran one model, it had a response from that model, and then it was running another model.when you see chain of thought, , reasoning was in an LLM that is not like you’re not seeing like the internal working of an individual instance of a model. What you’re seeing is with different coloring. So with different sort of, . Varying prompt alterations.The same information is being sent back into one instance of a model over and over and over again.Malcolm Collins: So. When you see something like, let’s say this is how it works on wind source, wind source, windsurf remembering previous conversations you’ve had in different instances, what’s actually happening is the AI is being fed a hidden prompt that says, when something important happens, store it as a memory and output it like this, and we won’t show it to the user.It then gets put in a memory file, and when you put the prompt into the [00:07:00] ai the next time a simpler AI model goes and scours the memory file, doing something called a semantic search, it then takes the stuff that it thinks is relevant to this particular query for the ai. It then puts that chronologically above all of the conversation that you’ve had so far with the ai.Remember I said you have this big list of conversation, right? And then it sends that to the master ai as sort of the context. So that’s, that’s how this works. What you’re seeing in these models, like the one we’re gonna be going to that is attempting to kill people, is you are seeing models. And you can interact with models like this.If you’ve ever used Cursor or windsurf, a lot of AI coating apps work in this way. Where what happens is, is the prompt is run given specific instructions for things it may want to do, like interact with the real world, like you have access to these tools. Like this tool can search the internet.This tool can pull up like a phone call. This tool can, like Cursor doesn’t have that ability, but I’m actually building something with set ability. I’ll get [00:08:00] to that in a second. You know, this tool can open files on the computer, et cetera. And so if the output includes a tool call, then it automatically, rather than switching control to the user, runs the model again.And it will keep doing this until it believes it has finished the task that at was given, and you can even push it to do this Conti Contiguously. What we’re building was our fab.ai now, so you can try our models right now. Right now we have a fun thing for like, playing three scenarios, but what I’m working on is my background project, which I am so effing excited about, is.A continuous model like this with tool calls but that is completely focused around being a human-like persona and having a personality and having interests and just being able to sit there all day. And when it feels like it, it will read Reddit and it will respond

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive into the viral controversy surrounding Tylenol, pregnancy, and autism. From RFK’s claims to TikTok trends, they break down the science, the media reactions, and the real risks behind the headlines. The discussion covers medical studies, social media challenges, political polarization, and personal stories about pregnancy and autism. Whether you’re a parent, skeptic, or just curious about the latest health debates, this episode offers a nuanced, evidence-based perspective. [00:00:00]Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be going over something that I have found really fascinating, which is both RFK, saying that, you know, Tylenol and pseudomona could lead to autism or other birth complications.And then more interesting the left’s reaction to it for me where there have been viral trends of women just taking lots of Tylenol, I can’t even TikTok, and there was one report of a death from this and we’ll get over whether that report is likely accurate. I hope it’snot,I think it’s plausibly accurate.I think over 50% chance that it’s accurate. And we’ll do, I mean a lot ofSimone Collins: people overdose on Tylenol. All the time anyway, so, yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well you don’t know when you’re trying to get like TikTok points or something like that. I mean, these other women who are doing this and there have been thousands of videos of women doing this that are getting millions of views.Right. I hope they’re justSimone Collins: drinking something fake [00:01:00] out of Tylenol bottles or, or taking fake pills. They’re taking.Malcolm Collins: Well, they’re,Simone Collins: yeah. May I, I hope they’re taking, you know, like your pills.Speaker: I got a call, very frantic call at four o’clock in the morning from a husband whose wife is now dying of liver failure on a ventilator in an ICU, um, because she was trying to prove that Tylenol doesn’t cause autism because of, um. What Trump said on the news, mind you, that’s a Harvard study. Now, whether or not you believe the Harvard study or not is not, not the issue here.The issue is that she’s somewhere between 23 to 25 weeks and she overdosed on Tylenol and she’s going to die. She’s not gonna come off that ventilator. People are, are just taking massive amounts of Tylenol to prove, prove Trump wrong. I mean, weren’t these the same people who put Harvard and Fauci and the pillars of science?On a pedestal. And now they refuse to believe [00:02:00] 28 weeks pregnant. You know what, I’m gonna take some, the title, we’ll see. The oph gonna work like a charm and my baby won’t have autism.Speaker 3: How dumb are they that you hate a president enough? To risk the health of your unborn child, and where the hell are the, the men who made him pregnant? Mm. Probably, I’m telling you, I would have an issue. This is not new. The warning not to take acetaminophen during pregnancy is not new. It is. Well.Simone Collins: So,Malcolm Collins: and we’ll get into this for people who don’t know Tylenol is by like, mu, let’s ignore the JFK, let’s ignore the new studies that we’re gonna go into.Mm-hmm. It was considered to be the safest pain reliever when you’re pregnant, but not. Safe for pregnancy, it, it was the safest option when you needed an option. [00:03:00] Yeah, and to beSimone Collins: clear, in multiple pregnancies we have used Tylenol, and that is because you have to balance risks. So if you have a really high fever and you have, for example, a first trimester baby.You, you risk giving that baby neural tube defects if they are exposed to a high fever. So for the baby we just had who is now in the NICU and was otherwise very healthy, he basically sustained an injury while being born. So nothing inherently wrong with him. I had a very high fever. Moments after the embryo was transferred and then like one week after when neural tube development began, I was definitely on Tylenol.Like everyone was likeMalcolm Collins: aware of is is cost benefit trade off with this stuff ‘cause we’re, we’re also gonna go over in this. Even if RFK is right about everything he’s saying, what is the actual risk of one of the complications from Tylenol? And it’s still fairly low. Mm-hmm. I say a single one to 2% increase in, in probability.Yeah. And this is [00:04:00] based probability, not, you know, if the, if the original risk was 1% and now the new risk is 2%, you could say, well, it increased by a hundred percent, or it increased by 1%, itSimone Collins: doubled your risk, which sounds so scary.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And, and but the, sorry, the point I was gonna make here is it’s as if these people hate, like our political side more than they love their children.They would just decide to risk their, and when I say risks, their child, Tylenol itself said in tweets, in multiple tweets that will go over. Do not take this when you’re pregnant.Mm-hmm. Ithas not been approved for use in pregnancy and it may have negative consequences.Mm-hmm.When people asked if they could, so like, this is mainstream, the company itself saying don’t do this.Everyone should know that you can’t just take infinite Tylenol. But I think these people are just like, my side says, Trump is bad for saying [00:05:00] x, therefore. I don’t need to like, like do they not even research? Did they not even Google before? They just start taking a ton of Tylenol when they’re visibly pregnant?I mean,it reminds me of in, in Scotland I heard one of the, a report from my friend of, of a girl who he knew from like inner city Glasgow. ‘cause that’s where he grew up, where she was smoking when she was pregnant. And they were like, why are you doing that? And, and she said she heard it made the, the baby smaller so that giving birth would hurt less.Oh.So there are astonishingly stupid people out there. Well, and, and there’sSimone Collins: the, the other example of I, someone on, on social media was complaining that they ordered a grocery delivery that included Tylenol and the person who delivered the groceries substituted it for acetaminophen and was like, didn’t you know that Trump said that Tylenol isn’t safe?And. They’reMalcolm Collins: theSimone Collins: same thing.Malcolm Collins: The same thing. Yeah. I know. And the Simone has been bemoaning the entire time this [00:06:00] controversy has been going. How upsetting it must be to be at Tylenol just because Trump cannot pronounce acetaminophen. Yeah. And we know that’s why he said Tylenol. ‘cause there’s this feature apparent, we’re like.You describe it, you described it to me this morning. Oh my. It’sSimone Collins: the, no, you have to, I’ll, I’ll try to find a clip of the press conference. Yeah. Where Trump, you know, makes this big announcement about RF K’s report on acetaminophen. And he’s like, oh man, I’m gonna mispronounce this. And he tries to say the word acetaminophen and butchers it multiple times.And, and Kennedy, RFK is just standing right behind him the whole time with his pain, look on his face and you know, his voice is super screwed up. So he is saying acetaminophen, acetaminophen. And like obviously Trump is not hearing it and you could see his, his lips moving and he’s trying to tell Trump, obviously Trump didn’t listen to the white Stripes.And, and,Malcolm Collins: and a and did they talk about acetaminophen?Simone Collins: Yeah. There’s this, the, you know, you have no taste in medicine. Acetaminophin. Okay. You see.Speaker 5: First, , effective immediately the FDA will be notifying physicians at the use of ace. [00:07:00] Well, let’s see how we say that. Ace acid, acetaminophen. Acetaminophen. Is that okay? Yes. Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol during pregnancy can be associated with a very increase. Risk of autism. So taking Tylenol is, , not good.Alright. I’ll say it, it’s not good for this reason. They are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during pregnancy unless medically necessary. That’s, , for instance, in cases of high fever.Simone Collins: Well, so the,Malcolm Collins: the great thing here about all of this and, and I will know when people are like, like, what are your guys deeper thoughts before I get into this?Simone, you believe that there actually aren’t. Particularly like you think that RFK messed up the studies that [00:08:00] he was citing. I think that maybe you were told this by a progressive journalist without actually looking into the volume of studies that he was citing. Okay. So I, I, I think he is likely accurate that there, there probably is some complication there.I also really, mySimone Collins: understanding is that this is one of those issues where he, there, there wasn’t enough correction used. Like when you ultimately correct for. A bunch of factors that you should be correcting for in a, in a study, which is hard. It’s a very nuanced thing. Right.Malcolm Collins: But that’s, you sort of have the impression that this was like one study of like 20,000 people.Yeah. When it was like. Eight studies of like 80,000 to 200,000 people each. Mm-hmm. Done by different teams that all came to around the same result. So I, I wanna be clear here. It you, you had the impression, like, it was like one study that made a mistake, and I think one study might’ve made a mistake.I mean, the left has to react reactively to everything like this. I think the wider problem around autism is Simone’s diagnosis, autism. Our kids are diagnosed with autism. It’s genetic. Also, it’s a bunch of different things. My mom had a view of autism that is not [00:09:00] dissimilar from RFK. She’s like, you know, she won’t be able to love you or the children.And when one of our kids was diagnosed with autism, she was like, well, you know, that’s it for his life. You know, and at RFK I’ll see all these things. Like, you know, when people with who have autism, their lives are ruined. Meanwhile, you know, Elon has been diagnosed with autism because he is di

In this episode, Simone and Malcolm Collins dive deep into the collapse of shared cultural touchstones, the rise of political drama as the new global entertainment, and the balkanization of media and communities. They discuss why TV culture is dying, why politicians have become the new celebrities, and how niche communities are shaping modern discourse. Plus, the Collinses explore fascinating trends in books, sports, video games, and even internet slang. Whether you’re interested in politics, media, or the quirks of online culture, this episode has something for you!Episode Outline: As some of you have mentioned episode outlines being helpful, here’s the episode outline we put together for this particular conversation (we don’t always have these—typically we only have them for some of the episodes that Simone leads). Thanks for providing us with feedback on this front! Based Camp - The Last Show LeftOur present age of cultural balkanization limits the shared experiences over which we can collectively bondHighlights* Why is:* Marco Rubio not a viable Republican presidential candidate, despite his merit?* The Democratic Party floundering? * TV show culture dying? * Because we have entered an age of cultural balkanization and there are only a few common topics left over which we can now bond* People today—at least Americans—share less and less in common* For example, an area where we’ve lost common ground is with TV:* Household viewership for top TV shows peaked in the early 1950s and 1960s, with shows like “I Love Lucy” and “Texaco Star Theatre” exceeding 50%-60% of households.* Ratings trend downward after the 1970s, with the most recent top shows (2010s) drawing only around 11-14% of TV households per year.* This decline reflects the growth in viewing choices and fragmentation of the television audience.* We are no longer reading the same books* In the early 1980s, blockbuster bestsellers like The Bonfire of the Vanities or The Da Vinci Code could reach up to 10% or more of US adults. In contrast, today’s bestsellers—even the most popular fiction—are typically read by just 1-2% of Americans.* Fewer Americans are even reading a book: Only 48.5% of US adults read any book for pleasure in 2022, down from 52.7% in 2017. Just a third of Americans now read novels or stories, way down from past decades* Despite this, nearly 4 million new book titles are published each year these days (when including self-published works)* Compare that to 2003, about 300,000 new titles were published in the US* We are no longer playing the same games* In the 1980s and 1990s, blockbuster video games (like Super Mario Bros. or Tetris) could reach 30%–50% or more of all gamers worldwide.* Today, even mega-best-sellers like Minecraft (238 million copies all-time) or Grand Theft Auto V (175 million copies) have only ever reached around 5–10% of all gamers over their lifespans, and at any given moment the “current” bestseller typically only engages about 1–2% of all active gamers.* In-person MLB attendance is down about 30% compared to 15 years ago.* We are not watching major professional sporting events like we used to* average regular-season NFL viewership is down from peaks in the 1980s–2000s.* NBA Finals 2025 averaged 10.2 million viewers—down 46% from its 2005 peak.* Anecdotally speaking, at least 20% of conversation at the parties we host involves either our pretending to understand content or people being referenced or asking for explanations* Meanwhile, hyper niche communities are flourishing, complete with their own dialect and slang* E.g. the influencer accent, which uses a variant of the valley girl accent to better maintain viewer attention: * Why does this matter?* We have fewer themes around which we can collectively bond* With the pandemic well behind us (which created this rare shared experience), what we have left is:* World events and politics* Technology / innovations affecting daily life (i.e. AI)* The economy* Health* And all these are the top-discussed topics of 2025* And this might be one reason why political polarization is so insane* This has implications for* Any person or group that wants to have broad influence or relevance* How relatable you can personally be (if you can’t speak about these issues, your small talk skills will suffer)But let’s explore in greater depth:* The great balkanization* The nichification of humanity (aka techno-feudalism)* And the centralization of discourseThe Great BalkanizationFracturing of Sports* While major sports in the USA (NFL, NBA, MLB) see shrinking audiences, “niche” or global sports (MLS, international soccer, Women’s leagues) see significant growth.Fracturing of TV* The most popular American TV show in 1964 was Bonanza, and 36.3% of American households watched it.* 30 years later, America’s most popular TV show was Seinfeld and 20.6% of American households watched it* 20 years, later in 2024, the most-watched scripted show was Tracker, with 17.4% of American households watching—CAVEAT: This is households with a TV* I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF TRACKER!* A show about a professional “reward seeker” who finds missing persons for prize money—all while struggling with complex issues from his fractured family and past traumas.Mixing of Social Classes and Cultural GroupsDifferent religious, cultural, ethnic, and class groups mix more today than before:* Social media and the internet has been a big equalizer* Immigration since 1965, changes in laws, and shifting social attitudes have broken down prior barriers, leading to more multicultural workplaces, neighborhoods, and schools compared to the mid-20th century.* Nearly 39% of Americans married since 2010 are in religiously mixed marriages—double the 19% rate before 1960, and much higher than earlier rates. This means Americans are now far more likely to marry someone outside their faith and, by extension, potentially outside their ethnic or cultural group than in the past.* In 1980, about 86% of undergraduates were white; by 2024, that figure dropped to 40%, with nonwhite students making up roughly 41% of undergraduates. * Nonwhite student attendance in colleges and universities increased by over 185% since 1976.* In 1960, nearly 90% of American workers were white. By 2019, the share of nonwhite, Latino or both workers nearly doubled to about 40%Loss of Religion and Other Shared Norms* Anecdote about Malcolm’s mother insisting he play certain sports and read certain books * Weekly church attendance has dropped from around 50% in the 40s-60s in the USA to 30% today (church membership in general dropped from ~70-75% in 1940s-60s to 47% in 2020)The Nichification of Humanity* We’re going techno-feudal and we don’t even realize it* People have a tendency to not realize that they’re in isolated bubbles* Like: People on X.com get the impression this is what EVERYONE is talking about, yet only around 1 in 5 Americans are active on it (18% of Americans)* Also, even that 18% of Americans on X are having wildly different experiences depending on their algorithms and the accounts they follow* Elsewhere on social media, there are people who think that people like “Becca Bloom” are household names, and while they may be HUGE in specific niches, most people have no idea who they are* As of 2025, about 73% of Americans use social media AT ALLPatreon as an Illustration* Random things you wouldn’t expect to find* Software and software mods* Horse training * Vanlife inspiration (also sailing inspiration)* The top 50 patreon creators include* #2: Peter Boese, who has this to say about what he offers—tell me if this makes ANY SENSE TO YOU: I try to bring a life like look to Assetto Corsa (AC). Ilja Jusupov brought us many tools to mod AC. With his Custom Shaders Patch (CSP) many features are added to AC. One of CSP’s moduls, called weatherFX, made new graphics possible. With Sol i created a highly customizable weather system for Assetto Corsa. The next step of my weather and graphics system called “Pure”. It adresses many problems of Sol and brings new solutions.* HE MAKES OVER $55K/MONTH!* OK: Assetto Corsa is a highly acclaimed racing simulation video game known for its realistic physics, detailed car models, and extensive modding community, making it a favorite among sim racing enthusiasts.* #8 The TrueAnnon Podcast, making over $174K/month* Several D&D creators* #38 TURBODRIVER, which just creates mods for The Sims 4 and has nearly 18K paid members* #41, Fornax, who “creates pixeldrain” (some sort of filesharing software) and makes $58,960/monthAccents and Slang* Major social media accents* Female Influencer Accent (“TikTok Voice,” “Influencer Accent”)* Male Gamer Accent* Tradwife Accent* Male News Commentator/“Podcaster” Accent* Gen Z Nonbinary/Androgynous Accent* Slang* Do you know what a lightstick is and how it’s used?* It’s a fan light unique to each group, waved at concerts.* Do you know what it means to be Tatty blasted? * (r/tattoo: Covered in tattoos)* Do you know what it means to be mogged by someone?* (r/looksmaxxing: To be outclassed in looks; if someone is much better looking, they “mog” others. Variants include “heightmog,” “facemog,” etc.)* Do you know what an HF-HOA is? * (“Homestead-Friendly Homeowners Association”—meaning a supportive HOA for gardening, chickens, etc., instead of “typical” ones that ban such things.)* Do you know what pan porn is? Or what it means to destash? * Destash: To declutter and get rid of makeup you don’t use.* Pan/pan porn: Hitting pan means you’ve used enough of a product to see the metal bottom, “pan porn” means showing off your well-used products.* Do you know what slackpacking is? Or what a Nearo is? * Slackpacking: Hiking a trail section without carrying a full backpack, often because someone else shuttles your gear.* Nearo: Nearly a zero-mile day; hiking only a few miles before stopping to rest, resupply, etc.* What community has murderhobos? * Dungeons and DragonsThe Centralization of DiscourseWhat’s le

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive deep into the controversial topic of IQ changes after gender transition, with a special focus on puberty blockers. This episode explores scientific studies on animals and humans, the mechanisms behind cognitive changes, and the social and ethical implications. The hosts discuss both supporting and opposing research, share personal anecdotes, and address the broader cultural conversation around gender transition and cognitive health. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be looking into the phenomenon of not just gender transition, but specifically puberty blockers. Hmm. And a significant decline in iq. This is something that most people are broadly aware of as a thing and that the trans industry has tried to cover up basically all of the studies done on this before 2010.Found like a one standard deviation decline in iq or like half a standard deviation, but ISimone Collins: didn’t know it was that bad. And that’s with puberty blockers not like full out Also transition too.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it’s like it’s, it is typically what I’ve seen. It’s like 15 to seven point drop. So pretty bit no, and, and it, it, it’s even bigger in animals where you almost see like a 50% decline in, in some animals and stuff like that.So we’re not talking about like a trivial drop in the bucket or anything like that. We’re talking years of lead paint chips.Simone Collins: My God, you’re right. And when you think about everything that parents do, the excruciating attention they put into trying to keep their children safe from [00:01:00] toxins like this, and then without even thinking about it, they’re throwing their kids on puberty blockers.Malcolm Collins: Worst kids are being told that this is okay and deciding to do it themselves. Like they take your kids to a psychologist. We’ve talked about this over and over again, and the psychologist will assign these to them and they’ll tell them not to tell their parents. You know, after one meeting we had a friend who this happened to took his kid to a gender psychologist, psychologist, said to the parents and they go, well, we’ll have a follow up meeting a six months where we’ll decide if this is appropriate.Turns out they had secretly already given the kid the prescription. And so, well evenSimone Collins: if that doesn’t happen, like maybe your doctor’s based and is like, you know what? This is not your problem. You’re looking in the wrong place. The kid can still go online and illegally get all the prescriptions they need with very decent ease.There’s a very effective, well greased underground railroad for. All sorts of hormones that you need, well happen. Well, it’s becauseMalcolm Collins: there’s a community out there. And this is another thing, the trans community that lows to cover up, but I’ll play a clip from Turkey Tom that I always love to play here, where he is going over what was happening in one of the trans servers.Did they, there was a group of people who get turned on by [00:02:00] the idea of finding kids and convincing them to take puberty blockers.it’s genuinely really good grooming advice. On April 4th, 2023, Postcard reveals he’s in contact with four minors. Age 9 to 13. I’ve so far sent it to four minors between the ages of 9 and 13. I hope it encourages them to transition. When the Anka Zone animation became a meme, they got excited over its virality among kids. Mana Drain and Orion also fantasized about getting kids on hormones orion was the manager , coercing him every step of the way. This is apparent by how he talked about him to others. Has he started hormones yet? Yes, but not effectively. I guess that’s what you’d expect just telling a r to buy hormones. They bought estrogen, but no anti androgen. It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at like 12.Haha, isn’t that true for everyone? Don’t worry, I’ll make him into a good girlMalcolm Collins: And I mean, this is a thing, it’s a real thing. You can be like, I’m not like that as a trans person. Fine, you’re not like that. But there, that, that community also exists regardless of whether or not you are like that.Right. And so what we’re gonna go over in this episode is the various studies on this what [00:03:00] appears to be the mechanism of action here. And then we’re gonna go over the studies that say that this isn’t happening and we are then gonna go over who ran those studies, who said this isn’t happening.Hmm. Because they become pretty easy to dismiss. When you look at who was involved in themSimone Collins: Ah what, like their samples and everything?Malcolm Collins: No the big one that the trans community always talks about in this literally was run by the head of wpath. It was no bias there. No bias, no collusion, literally ran and regularly did.And their primary source of income and every one of the main authors on it, primary source of income was gender transitioning mine. Mm.Yeah, I’m surprised that they found no effect here.Speaker 2: what I do. I talk for a living. What do you talk about? I speak on behalf of cigarettes. My mom says cigarettes kill.Really?Now, is your mommy a doctor?Speaker: No.Speaker 2: A scientific researcher of some kind? No. Oh, she doesn’t exactly sound like a credible expert now, does [00:04:00] she?. All I’m suggesting is that there will always be people trying to tell you what to do and what to think.There probably already. Are people doing that? Am I right?Speaker: Yes.Speaker 2: I’m here to say that when someone tries to act like some sort of an expert, you can respond. Who says, so cigarettes are good for you? No. No, that’s not. That’s not what I’m getting at. My point is that you have to think for yourself. You have to challenge authority.So perhaps instead of acting like sheep when it comes to cigarettes, you should find out for yourself.Malcolm Collins: But I think it’s, it’s really interesting to start by looking at animal models. Because with animal models, there’s no reason to lie about this.Right. There’s no political motivations or anything. So, well, and at least the,Simone Collins: the Protran group can just say, well, it’s animal model, so it doesn’t count. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Well, no, no. What I mean is you can lose your job. I mean, we know from when Travis stock was closed down that there was a study that they had shut down and, and never published because the [00:05:00] results showed that putting kids on puberty blocker increased their chances of unliving themselves and increased.Risk of self harm. And they they refuse to publish it. So we now know that like if you are a. Gender transition clinic, and you have data that you, you doesn’t support what you want to support, you’re not gonna release the study, right? And we know people who have had their jobs put on, on the line for publishing research, which could be seen as critical of the trans community because the trans community then goes and tries to get you fired.But if you’re studying this in sheep or something, or you actually do need to study this in animals or dogs because you know, you might be neutering them or something, what happens when you prevent them from going through normal puberty? You can without any, you know, trans activists freaking out and coming after you really get into the nitty gritty of what’s going on neurologically here.Hmm.So let’s start with Hugh Etal 2017. This is a sheep study. We’ll also go into the human studies from a while ago because they, they were also really telling as well, like the pre 2010 months. The study was titled A Reduction in Long-Term Spatial Memory [00:06:00] Persist After Discontinuation of Prepubescent, GNRH, agnostic Treatment in Sheep.It builds on research examining the effects of gnostic releasing hormones, GNH treatment, which suppresses the hypothalamic pituitary goon axi. On brain function during puberty, the researchers use an OV sheep model to investigate whether impairments in spatial memory observed during active GNH treatment reverse after discontinuation.So, the, the point here being is it’s taken as a given within sheep studies that eve a sheep. Is is put on puberty blockers, basically. The sheep will have a severe impairment in spatial memory. And what they’re trying to study in this paper is, does that continue after the treatment is stopped, or is that only while they’re on the treatment that this falls.AndSimone Collins: continues afterMalcolm Collins: they stop. Are theySimone Collins: sending the sheep through mazes? What are, what are they doing? They do,Malcolm Collins: yes.Simone Collins: [00:07:00] Okay. Sheep mazes,Malcolm Collins: literally through maze. It’s sheep maze. Yes. It’s cute. But, but funny, funny here is, is people might be like, oh, come on. You know, this is a conservative propaganda or anything like that.Like people don’t get dumber when they gender transition. And I’m like, okay, except watch our video. The Wachowski Effect. Why is it that there’s so many instances of famous individuals who then gender transition and all of a sudden suck. At whatever it is they used to be really good at you know, like the Wachowskis, right?Like the, the first matrix is awesome. Everything they’ve made since they started transitioning has been hot garbage. Or you look at the, the case of veil guard, which is what we were looking at on that veil guard, this horrible, horrible game. Like, honestly, the, the audience got mad at us for that, for making the clips.Of of sections from the game. As long as they were too long. Yeah. They said it was particularly painful to watch. The writing was so bad.Speaker: Oh, um. Ah, . They, they’re still holding it. Sorry. What are you doing? [00:08:00] Pulling a barv. Oh, okay. A barv? There’s not always time for big, drawn out apologies. So, when one of us screws up and we know we’ve screwed up, we do a quick ten to put it right. Pulling above.Malcolm Collin

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive deep into the pitfalls of extreme manosphere ideology, the “wife guy” meme, and the real dynamics of modern relationships. This episode explores the breakdowns of high-profile marriages, the dangers of performative masculinity, and the importance of emotional control and partnership in marriage. With personal anecdotes, cultural analysis, and a touch of humor, Malcolm and Simone challenge toxic narratives and offer practical advice for building healthy, functional relationships. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] the way in which women reduce you and all of your creative and adventurous impulses and render you to a headless quote unquote husband. The ideal husband has put aside in his ideals, all dangerous ideas. The meme term for this is the wife guy. I have seen many men who are already quite mediocre in spirit, debase themselves to a level of slavery for their wives and children. But the point here being is he sees this wholesome marriage and I think many people downstream of the manosphere and everything like that have come to see a wholesomeness, like a wholesome, sweet loving couple as, as a form of humiliation. They, they see it as humiliating to the man because it’s not what Andrew Tate sold them masculinity was.Would you like to know more?Malcolm Collins: Hello. I am excited to be here today. Today we are gonna be going over how some people are so red pilled, they cut themselves. And it is. A problem that I see [00:01:00] consistently within parts of the manosphere where individuals develop an idea of manhood and what it means to be a man, which is incompatible with tolerable women wanting to be married to you.Simone Collins: Tolerable. That’s the key point. Tolerable women,Malcolm Collins: right? And so, they’ll, they’ll, they’ll go out there and they’ll just be like, women are always like a drain on their husband and like, make their lives worse. And I’m like, like, clearly that’s not the case. Like you’ve, you’re an awesome wife. You, you do way more of both your share of the professional and housework.You you know, are pregnant with kid number five right now, which you do with a plum. You’re only worried when the kids might have some sort of health issue or anything. You, you know, cook meals with family like clearly, and people hear her talk. She doesn’t, she. You do nag me. I, I will say you do nag me.Not a lot more recently. But not in a way that’s like her trimesterSimone Collins: doesn’t yield great emotional control if we’re this year, yeah. I remember this fromMalcolm Collins: last time you were [00:02:00] this, this pregnant and she’s really sorry. Yeah. And it really only happens when she has genuine justification, like she’s doing far more of the workload on something than I am.Note here, , she just gave birth to our fifth kid who is Healthy Tex. , She is with Tex in the hospital yesterday. She gave birth to him, , by her fifth C-section. So very dangerous surgery. We’re very, , grateful that it all went well. , And I am at home playing with our oldest as she recovers in the hospital.So that’s how intense she is about this.Malcolm Collins: But the point I’m making here is like, clearly good women exist, right? The problem is, is that if I acted the way that many of these manosphere influencers told me to act, women like Simone would not want to marry me or be around me. And so when these men say all women. Who exists like a wall or whatever, all winner like that have, you know, these, these character traits.And I’m like, well, I don’t see that in the women that I’ve dated in the past or that [00:03:00] I’m married to. What they’re really saying is the way I act filters for women who act like this. And unfortunately, a lot of these ideas can come out of this, this wider community that we’re a part of. And lead to, we’re gonna go a bit into likeSteven Crowder’s marriage breakdown.We’re gonna go a bit into Laura Southern’s marriage breakdown. Oh boy. We’re, we’re gonna go a but we’re gonna go all at this from the framing device of an essay. By deep at left analysis, which is a extensively a left wing guy.But when you begin to hear this article, you will immediately be like, that sounds not leftist at all to me. So like culturally, it’s clear where this came from and I think it’s one of the best examples of this, where he literally argues that he’s gay for like manos fear reasons.Simone Collins: So he’s the political lesbian of men of, [00:04:00]Malcolm Collins: I guess, yes.Simone Collins: That’s crazy. Okay, we gotta get into this. ‘cause I didn’t, I don’t know. I, I figured that women would be political lesbians because in general women are more attracted to dominance versus submissions and care relatively to men, a lot less about primary and secondary sexual characteristics, whereas men are a lot more sensitive to that.So I just thought like, well, women are political lesbians because they can be. But, but,Malcolm Collins: but here, what you’ll see, and you’ll hear in what he’s saying is within like the Bronze Age pervert sort of a mindset or something like that. Mm-hmm. He’s signaling something to our community that you would understand is sort of like a, you know, gorilla punching his chest, being like, I, I so manly.I know words. I know how to say them. And it only works for signaling your status to other men. It repels women. And yet people misunderstand and think that this is actually the way they need to be acting or talking about women. Tra [00:05:00] women are materialists, but I also know if that he’s kind of right about stuff.Simone Collins: Well, you can be right and end up being a cupped Yes. Political gay man. But continue. So trad women are materialists in the lowest sense of the word. Their goal in life is to identify a worthy male and then browbeat him into submission psychologically abuse him, neuter him, and castrate him. This is a very practical thing to do and a very safe and produces an effective slave society, but is devoid of idealism and heroism.Malcolm Collins: Modern gaze are a radical extension of this feminine drive towards practical materialism. You see what I mean when I say he comes off as very right wing? Do, he really says he’s left wing again. What well sake about this, he’s attacking trad women here, right? Like he’s saying that trad women are materialists in the lowest sense of the word.Their goal is to identify a worthy male, then browbeat him into submission. And for many trad women. [00:06:00] Yeah. That’s kind of what they are looking for. They’re not looking for a man they can empower, but a man that they can, in a way, enslave.Simone Collins: Enslave. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: When I say trad women, he again, quoting him here. When I say trad women, I’m referring to Steven Crowder’s ex-wife, who claims that the highest duty of a man is to marry a woman and then do whatever she says.Ms. Crowder is a parody of the trad woman, but she is only saying aloud what many trad women secretly already believe. So what did she actually say? Because first, you know, I wanna get the, the actual information hereSimone Collins: from the horse’s mouth.Malcolm Collins: She posted on Twitter. The most alpha thing a man can do is marry and be faithful to a good woman for the entirety of his life and be willing to storm the greats of hell to stay married to her.This was in response to a video by conservative commentator Matt Walsh, discussing marriage as supernatural generated significant backlash and discussion on X. We as many users, interpreting it as promoting an overly sacrificial and one-sided view of men’s role in marriage, though it does [00:07:00] not, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.The, the point here being is she does appear to basically think that and a lot of people are aware of the Crowder and his wife breaking up, but I wanted to start talking about them to be like, this is the type of woman that a man who acts and presents like Crowder is able to, and keep in mind, Crowder is the height.Of what this type of man is, right? Like presumably he’s gonna have his pick of the litter in terms of, of, of women who will tolerate a man like this. So if you are the very best of what this community can achieve, your outcome, and, and keep in mind that the alternative understanding here is, is Steven Crowder’s is just not a good guy or good husband, which may be the case.We’ll get into that. But I think that many of his flaws as a partner came downstream of trying to emulate the philosophy of the red pill and [00:08:00] traditionalist version of what a male is. In a way that doesn’t work within a modern context. And it’s very important that we do not do that. Like our goal is not to signal to other people in the manosphere how tough and cool we are.Our goal is to get married to somebody who wants to improve our lives and works every day to improve our lives and has lots of kidsSimone Collins: more, more. Actually our goal first and foremost is to maximize something we believe has inherent value, and we choose to find a partner because we understand that if you find the right kind of partner and form the right kind of relationship, you will be more collectively effective at maximizing that thing or that collection of things that you value than you would on your own.Mm-hmm. It’s not even that your goal is to find a wife.Malcolm Collins: Yeah., And, and I’ll note here. We often say like, you’re, you’re often not going to end up in a place better than the advice you’re getting from somebody. So if somebody is a leading figure in like the larger, wider [00:09:00] manosphere scene and they are giving out advice and they can’t keep a marriage past their first two kids that advice has a high probability of leading you to a similar endpoint.Simone Collins: That’s fair. And even,Malcolm Collins: and even if you say it’s the wife’s fault, which we’ll get into analyzing how much of it, ‘cause I do think a large part of it is the wife’s fault. He

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they explore the evolving landscape of free speech in the US and UK, comparing the approaches of the Trump and Biden administrations. From high-profile censorship cases to the hidden influence of government on tech platforms, this episode unpacks the facts, controversies, and personal stories behind the headlines. Whether you’re interested in media, politics, or civil liberties, this conversation offers a thought-provoking look at the state of free expression today. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. Today we are going to be talking about news, which is largely being covered up by mainstream nor organizations that just two weeks ago were freaking out that Trump threatened to pull Jimmy Kimmel from the air or threatened to put pressure to pull Jimmy Kimmel from the air for lying, lying.I, I should point out, not not like a character attack that he did on somebody or disagreeing with Trump’s politics but lying. About a, a, an assassin, right? The, so you kill, right? So Trump goes, all these organizations freaking out about this. It drops literally like within four days of that we’re covering this a little late that Google admitted that the Biden administration had secretly gotten them to censor wide swaths of mildly right wing information and.We’ll get into this very true information. [00:01:00] Okay. That, that we now know is what was true from a lot of studies that, that we’re gonna go over now. And I think that this fundamentally when people are like the difference between the left and the right is, is the modern right threatens to censor you for lying the moderate and left.We will ban you without telling you or anyone else for telling the truth. If you can’t tell who the fascist is there, you know, be aware and I’ll point out like another thing that that will be a, a part of this, which I think is Im important to talk about, is sort of what’s, what’s going on with free speech in the UK right now.And the, we’ve talked about it before, so I’m not gonna go too deep, but the complete. Degradation and subjugation of the British people. Where one person for example Gar Evans, this is in 2023 in, in five Scotland, which is where I lived in Scotland actually. Yeah. Wrote Islam is questionable on the exterior of her home [00:02:00] and was arrested for that.It was her private property. It, it was, and oh, he didn’t say Islam is evil. Islam. He said, Islam is questionable. And basically the cops showed up and they go, no, it’s not, not in the uk. Now the reason why this is important to note here is if you wrote that about Christianity or if you wrote that about Judaism you would not be arrested.And this is true. Sort of a, across the progressive sphere, which is there are classes of people that you are allowed to question and classes of people that you are not allowed to question. Yeah. And I think through that, it’s easy to form an alliance which, which I think is why the, you know, the Christian communities and the Jewish communities have come together so much.Recently is like, Hey, they wanna get rid of you too. That, that may maybe, maybe we have some overlapping interest at the moment, Lord. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, it, it, it, it matters like a lot to me that you, you literally can’t write. And we’ll go into other instances because he was, he was [00:03:00] released after being in jail for a while.But the point being is like that he was arrested at all for just saying like, can you question Islam? Like, is this, is this a thing that we’re allowed to do in this society? And was very loudly told. No. No free speechSimone Collins: or, well, I, I shouldn’t say free speech in the UK is terrifying.Malcolm Collins: It’s not a free country anymore.It is a no, it is a dictatorship. Well, I, I would say it’s totalitarian non dictatorship. Like a totalitarian sort of bureaucracy. Yeah. Oh, that’s evenSimone Collins: scarier.Malcolm Collins: It, itSimone Collins: both is, is, is, is restrictive. But also it doesn’t get anything done like what is worse than that? At least in China they can like, I’m just gonna put the freeway there.Tough s**t. But like, oh, I’m just gonna put the freeway there. Tough. But then, you know, in the UK it’s, it’s just everything’s slowed down by the bureaucracy and you don’t have the freedoms.Malcolm Collins: Well, I wanna point out here to people who are like, well, you know, you’re criticizing progressives for using the government.We’ll go to how they use the government to, to ban these platforms, to type the things that were getting banned. [00:04:00] You, you criticize progressives for doing this. Why do you want Trump to attempt to do the same sorts of things? And my answer is. Because they will not make it illegal if we do not also abuse it.That that’s, that’s the, the, the fact of it when this came to the Supreme Court, that the Biden administration had done this despite people who had YouTube channels with millions of followers being shut down for saying things that were true. That. That they said no harm had come to anyone.And so it lost at the Supreme Court. Huh? The Supreme Court justices on the progressive side are not going to say that Presidents shouldn’t be able to bully people into you know, well, we, we can do it the ethical way and they can do it the unethical way. We can just say, Hey, let’s stop the people who are actively lying.Right? They, they, if we don’t do that. The, it never becomes illegal because the left is like, but, but you see the Right. Always resists using this. Yeah. Any, any thoughts on that point, by the way?Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean. [00:05:00] The, yeah, I appreciate your, you’re arguing it that way because I see it argued in the opposite way that Trump is going to restrict free speech and then this is even bad for the right at this time, because then once the left is in power, they’re gonna use the, the precedent that Trump put in place to restrict free speech.We literallyMalcolm Collins: just learned that the left was already doing that, but secretly,Simone Collins: yeah, that’s the thing is I would, one, I mean I think it’s, it’s very different to, to encourage the FCC toMalcolm Collins: ban people from blatantly lying about ease of the Rififi facts. And then, yeah, because it, and by the reason he was banned wasn’t even because he lied.It was because he refused to admit that he lied on air and apologized for it.Simone Collins: Well, and he still, I mean, everyone says that he released an apology video. It was very heartfelt. But he, he, he didn’t acknowledge the fact that he misrepresented. The affiliation of the assassin. And, and that’s also odd, but I [00:06:00] think thatMalcolm Collins: it, it’s not odd it showed an unwillingness to accept reality or to communicate truth.Well, again, ISimone Collins: think that, that it’s kind of, he has to, because eventually he knows he’s going off conventionally to be air. His only audience after that is going to be extreme progressives. He can’t do anything to alienate that audience like it would be, I wouldn’t, if I were him, it would be dumb. It doesn’t, it doesn’t matter.He can’t, he can’t concede that grom. So anyway, I don’t, I don’t care about that. It’s logical what he’s done. But the government can choose who gets spectrum, who gets allocated spectrum. Yeah. In the United States, and they get to choose that. It’s for the public good. And if there is active misrepresentation of reality, that is provable.I don’t see that as being a problem. That’s, that’s really, I don’t care, especially with the internet, do we really care that much? Who gets spectrum? I, IMalcolm Collins: do see it as being a problem. Okay. I do see it as being a problem, but I think that the only way that you get it. [00:07:00] Made illegal is by abusing it because the left is already abusing these systems.Mm-hmm. So, and, and that’s what we’ll be going over documentation about. Well, no,Simone Collins: but it was worse though because like the, the, well the reason why you can’t just say is, is freeMalcolm Collins: Simone, the reason you can’t say what you are saying is because the left, when they banned people for telling the truth, and we now have science showing that it was the truth at the time, science, we now have proof.That that happened, COVID experts saying that it wasn’t true. Oh. So, so the problem is, is they determine what’s true. You know, they’ll say, oh, well it is, it is. Probably true that questioning trans identities gets trans people killed, even though we know for a fact that’s not true. Mm-hmm. We know that actually in the UK when they banned access to this, unliving rates did not go up within that community.And this is like a, we have a huge amount of data in this. So it’s factually untrue. Mm-hmm. And yet they’ll just say, well, it is true because I hired my gender expert, you know, and my, and, and, and this [00:08:00] person says it. You know this thing about race and we have our team of race experts and we have our team of fat studies experts.You, you, you can’t do that, but it’s, hey, if you actually are doing it for what is true to the point where the left feels they need to react by making it illegal I think that Trump is doing this in the most ethical way a human can, which is antagonizing them over things that are actual lies so that, so that you can antagonize them into making laws around this that can pass by partisan, because I think that every Republican wants our most.Same Republicans don’t want people to be able to do this. So to continue here Google’s letter, sorry. Any other thing you wanted to say? No, no. Go on. Go on. You, you, sorry. I disagree with you. What’s your rebuttal? Or do you, do you agree?Simone Collins: I mean, I, I wasn’t, I wasn’t disagreeing with you in the beginning.Well, no, no, no. ButMalcolm Collins: what you said was, if something is not true, you should be able to Oh, no,Simone Collins: no, no. Yeah, no, you make a fair point

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive into the controversy surrounding Greta Thunberg’s involvement with the Global Sumud Flotilla (GSF), the intersection of progressive movements, and the complex dynamics between various activist groups. This episode explores the rifts within the left, the overlooked genocides in Sudan and the DRC, the treatment of LGBTQ+ individuals in conflict zones, and the shifting alliances among Black, Palestinian, and LGBTQ+ activists. With candid discussion, historical context, and sharp analysis, this conversation challenges assumptions and highlights the real-world consequences of performative activism and intersectional politics. Episode Transcript:Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be using the split up of the Flotilla that Greta Thornberg was involved in and on the board of over a person coming out as gay, and then the Muslims on it who were running a lot of stuff, whereas like, well, we won’t be part of it then.And it it, it’s still sort of operational, but it’s having a lot of issues. We’ll be using this as a framing device to talk about. What has been happening increasingly over just the last couple months which is a split up or like a, a forced sort of reconciling in the left between. And by the way, we found some video of Greta Thornberg’s volatility here.Dare you. How dare you.Speaker: Groups don’t make me frown. Only the west must be to down the rockets. Praise the fight. Freedom’s wrong, but hey, [00:01:00] feelsMalcolm Collins: . A, a reconciling of. Many people thought, and, and, and it’s sort of like every non-white group largely thought that the left was all about centering them. Mm-hmm. And they’re learning that it’s not, and while we will be talking about, one of those things we’ll be talking about is the conflict between the Black Forest part of the left and the Palestine per part of the left which is like way more gruesome than you would think specifically because.Okay, Simone, are you aware that there are other genocides in the world that are significantly larger than if you consider Gaza a genocide than what’s going on in Gaza? Are you aware of this?Simone Collins: Nothing’s coming up in the news. I couldn’t. Well, no, no, no, no.Malcolm Collins: Of course. Nobody’s talking about it. None of the leftists are freaking out about it.Credit Thornberg’s not doing anything about it. But no, there’s significant, multiple larger genocides but the largest genocide in the world right now. It’s happening in the Sudan. Do you know. Who is killing who in this genocide? No. [00:02:00] Arabs are killing blacks.Simone Collins: OhMalcolm Collins: no.Simone Collins: Oh,Malcolm Collins: and you can say, oh, come on Malcolm, you must be misframing it.So this is from an AI here, because I ask, is this actually true? Yes. The ongoing genocide in Sudan, particularly in the Darfur region, largely involves Arab dominated forces led by the rapid support forces RSF. In Allied Arab militias, perpetrating systemic atrocities against non-Arab, often referred to as black or African ethnic groups such as am Mati, fir and za.We, I can’t pronounce this. This ethnic dimension is the core driver of the violence. So yeah,Simone Collins: this is, I remember there being Darfur activists inMalcolm Collins: college.Simone Collins: Yeah, so, thousand protestMalcolm Collins: dark four. We just stopped doing it within the current era of leftist media. GotSimone Collins: tired of it. Or like, I don’t know. Well, no,Malcolm Collins: we get tired of it.This is a completely new conflict that’s happening in the same, this is a new one.Simone Collins: Okay, so this is not the. Star four of like,Malcolm Collins: well, obviously they’re connected, but it’s a new genocide. Yes, it is. It is. Mass murder of children, [00:03:00] mass graves. Really horrifying stuff. And then people will be like, well, we’re not funding this one.And it’s like, well buckle up buddy, because guess who is funding them? The UAE and they’re doing it to get rid of the blacks in the region so that they can control the ports more easily and use it to export gold because I think they get like 80% of the gold from the region or something. We’re not gonna go too far into that.But throughout this, what you will find, and I think that many people, they see like one dimension here where they’re like, they see the Gaza Palestine thing. And they’re like this is at odds with leftist views around gay rights, which, which we’ll get into. It is, but I think they miss how sort of unilaterally antithetical to most purported urban monoculture and leftist values.A Arab community and specifically obviously Arab communities are different and there’s diversity within the communities. But I’m talking about dominant beliefs in these communities [00:04:00] are towards their other agendas like. Helping, for example, black people. And I think that we’re sort of coming to a head.We’re also gonna talk about what has recently happened, which is a, a, a widespread movement of LGB organizations that are splitting from trans organizations and many activists recently with this idea that they are going to push like a, a divorce or a, a forced separating. To go to the, the gay stuff ‘cause you’re like, how you know, anti-gay is a place like Gaza.Okay. So, in 2000 there were four Palestinians killed in the Gaza West Bank for just being gay. Which led to a lot of gay people in Gaza to flee to Israel, where they were accepted for asylum to protect themselves from the Gaza’s. If the Gaza’s controlled. Like Jerusalem, for example, the gay people in Jerusalem would be killed.They’re able to go there for protection now because they are killed. In Gaza. Now what’s really wild here is we actually have like quite detailed like, like torture [00:05:00] and murder of, of, of gay people because of captured records that they have found of a senior Hamas commander in Gaza who was arrested beaten, placed in solitary confine before being murdered.Predominantly because he was found to be gay. Other captured documents revealed that they tortured and killed to other gay members. Specifically for, and I love this because this is extensively documented in Hamas’ own records.Simone Collins: Oh no.Malcolm Collins: That these two people were killed because they gay griped, some of the Israeli captives which implies that regular gring must have been very common if they thought they could get away with gay griping and an Islamic, like, I love when people are like, oh, no, no, no, no.Even, even though the hostages have said yes, grape is very common among the hostages, they’re like,Simone Collins: it’s fine. Just don’t. Don’t be gay about it.Malcolm Collins: Don’tSimone Collins: be gay about it, guys. Oh, man. Okay.Malcolm Collins: By the way, for the other [00:06:00] if you, if you wanna get an idea of like the scale of the various genocides that we’re looking at in the world right now.The, the one that is Arabs killing Blacks in the Sudan there have been around 150,000 deaths. And around 12 million people are displaced with 11 million internal displacement, 3 million refugees.And then if you look at the next biggest, which is again, not the Gaza War, it’s the DRC Eastern conflict. It’s had around a hundred thousand casualties 7 million refugees. And then if you look at the Gaza War, if you consider this a genocide it has. Just 64,300 casualties, which, which, which would make it about half the size of what’s going on in the Sudan right now.And only around 1.9 million people. And keep in mind like this is, this is still a lot of people. I’m not saying that this is a good thing, but anySimone Collins: death is tragic. But if, if we’re talking about effective altruism or tackling the, the biggest. The biggest atrocities in terms of, wouldMalcolm Collins: it be much [00:07:00] easier to end the Sudan conflict than it would be to end the the conflict that we’re dealing with in Israel and Gaza right now?Like, it’s a much more realistic thing to do. And this is why when you talk about something like Greta Thornberg and I, and I think this is really telling, and I wanna get into the psychology of this. Why does she climate activists decide one day not to address the biggest genocides in the world? And people will be like, well.Just because the genocides happening in another region doesn’t mean you can’t be talking about a genocide in in this region. Right. Well, isntSimone Collins: she supposed to be the I of the left? I mean, right.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, she is kind of, but I, but what I wanna find here is when a leftist is like, well, you can’t complain about the genocide here.And then say that, like, we shouldn’t be talking about the genocide here. And I’m like, I’m not saying that right. But the problem is, is I can go to your tweets, I can look at what your sort of lieutenants are doing, your Gretta thornberg’s, and not all one of them. I mean, I would argue that the tweets that the Sudan conflict is getting, despite being significantly larger is probably 0.5% of the tweets that Gaza gets from leftist activists.So, so the [00:08:00] question is, is, why don’t you talk about it when it’s Arabs killing blacks? Why do you talk about it when it’s Jews killing Arabs, like, and, and Arab, and I’ll put a clip. On the screen here, it’s in another language. But, but for context here. So you, you, you don’t actually. I have to read the full saying.This is the Palestinian analyst, Mannar Shaki on Al Jazeera tv. So, mainstream tv, you know, in the Middle East. And, and they’re even talking about this there, he, he pointed out that more people have been killed in the Sudan than Gaza in the past two years. But he then goes on to say, but nobody cares about them because the blood of Palestinians is precious.You don’t see people in us. Protesting their death. Oh, okay.Speaker 4: صحيح عنا ضحايا كثيرة ونتحمل، لكن شوف حتى ضحايانا حتى ضحايانا دمها غا

This episode explores the paradox of prominent right-wing or ethnonationalist figures who, despite their rhetoric, often marry outside their own ethnic or national groups—especially to non-white or immigrant women. Malcolm and Simone Collins discuss the cultural, political, and genetic factors behind these patterns, using examples from US and international politics. The conversation delves into the complexities of ethnicity, genetic diversity, and the social constructs around race, with a particular focus on the role and perception of white women in these dynamics. The episode also touches on broader issues of marriage trends, fertility rates, and the impact of migration and cultural change, all delivered with a mix of humor, data, and personal anecdotes. [00:00:00]Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be asking the question, what sort of self-respecting racist would date a white woman? And by this what I mean, or the phenomenon I’m gonna be going over is twofold. One is the phenomenon of people who are sort of race realists, or genetic realists or Okay.Who are seen as leaders in the right wing movement or anti-immigrant. Okay? Very frequently, almost as frequently. As left-leaning anti-white black politicians being married to white men. They are married to either immigrant wives or non-white wives. And then we’re going to be talking about this in the context of it actually makes a lot of sense if you think about right wing politics.Oh. By this, what I mean is. Who, like w whether it’s the [00:01:00] prenatals movement or any form of the right wing movement, who is like the core enemy, right? Who is generating the oppression that you are living under and benefiting from the system that that systemically discriminates against you.Simone Collins: Yeah. Why would you marry into the longhouse?It’sMalcolm Collins: white women, right? Yeah. SoSimone Collins: Passport Bros are the political lesbians of.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. For people who dunno, political lesbians, this was something that happened in the past where women who were not seeing sex attracted would get in same sex attracted relationships like female, female relationships just before political reasons because they felt it was politically unpalatable to date men.And really what it was, was this sort of aggressive lesbians pressuring straight women using politics into sleeping with them. If you, if you actually look at what was happening there, oh dear, it was not a good thing. But that is, that is not what this episode is about. This episode is about this interesting tension between a group that is supposedly [00:02:00] ethnonationalist.But that is also ESO nationalist towards white people, but that also has a deep disdain for white women specifically.Simone Collins: Yeah. In a cultural, I mean, yeah, you make a really good point. ‘cause even if you go to the various mgtow channels and look at, you know, the ones who’ve been sort of path dependency, audience funneled into like just the, look at this woman, she’s done a terrible thing.She’s horrible. It’s majority white women. So you’reMalcolm Collins: making a good point and. We’re gonna study some trends here because there’s some interesting trends here. Ooh. When white right-leaning women do this, they almost always break up. But when a white, white right-leaning men do this, they almost always stay together.And keep in mind here the look of, you’re like, why would they go for women of other cultures? Well, because they’re often slightly more conservative in, in their views. And then the final thing we’re gonna go into here is. How ethnicity actually [00:03:00] works because I am so frustrated by this inaccurate view of ethnicity that we have in a society.And actually I’m just gonna start talking about this a little before we go into all the examples of conservatives who do this. So I sent you on WhatsApp, an actual graph of human evolutionary breakups that will show you sort of how humanity speciated Oh, can you pull this up? Yeah. You recentlySimone Collins: shared with us with a, a friend.Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Right. And what you will notice here is because, and I’ll, I’ll bring up the context of this with the friend, is they were like, well, you know, I’m an Indian and most of this, this data was trained on Europeans. And therefore it is she’s talking about genetic data for like polygenic screening of embryos.Therefore, it won’t be accurate on me. You know, it’s not accurate across esit groups. And I was like, sweetie, you are genetically white. Indians are basically white people genetically speaking. And not white people, Europeans, let’s call it that, like [00:04:00] the, the wider sort of European cultural group.But I’ve often said on this group, if you divided humanity into ethnic groups you know, Northern Europeans, middle Easterners, Indians, Asians, and. Native Americans would be one of those groups.And to clarify here, this one group would also include most North Africans, and I think that edging the majority, like a bit over 50% of Sub-Saharan Africans, uh, with groups like the Bantu being within this one group.Malcolm Collins: And then almost all of the rest would be African was maybe one for Australian Aboriginals.But in this chart you can really see what I mean by this in how far back some of these ethnic groups split off with other branches of humans being well around. When our last shared ancestors are outside of the ones who, who enter bred recently. So what you’re seeing here, Simone, is, is, is you look at the Northern [00:05:00] Carni and then the Southern Co Sun in, in Africa.Mm-hmm. These two groups alone are. Close to each other, but more distinct than any of the the non-African groups. And then look at how, and, and they split off from the rest of humans. When Neanderthals were in their prime, like 50% through Neanderthals brain di de Noian were in their prime. Homo n might’ve still been around and only about like halfway between now and homo Heidelbergensis.Right. Homo Homoerectus was still well around when most of these African groups split off. It’sSimone Collins: crazyMalcolm Collins: as, as you can see here. Yeah. That, that’s, it’sSimone Collins: going way back, it’s going way, way back.If you wanna dive deep on this topic, we have another episode, , titled Something Like Our Humans, all One Species, , where we go really deep into this and we point out some, some pretty shocking facts. Like for example, , you might be surprised that you are more genetically similar if you are [00:06:00] European.To Neanderthals than you are to some living human groups like the Koan. , That said, , you split from the koan more recently than you split from Neanderthals. Uh, but you are still more genetically similar to Neandertals. We explained how this is the case in, in, in the video you just said go to it. , But lots of spicy stuff there.This video was filmed before that video, but we’re beginning to get to our backlog because of Simone giving birth to our next kid.Malcolm Collins: Well, no, but I mean, this is, did you, were you aware of this by the way? Did you like understand? I had noSimone Collins: idea. I knew that the genetic variation in Africa was.Insane. That and that like no one seems to get it, especially ‘cause everyone’s just like black or of African descent, as if that like gloms everyone together. So yeah, I knew that that, but I didn’t realize just how long. The branch or how far back the branch off goes. That is just insane. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: So we’ll be talking about a better way to sort of think about ethnic groups, even if you’re talking [00:07:00] about being more closely related.And basically I, what, what I’ll point out is that functionally Indians middle Easterners and Europeans are one ethnic group. Oceania is one extra group. Asians are one ethnic group. Native Americans are one ethnic group. And then Africa has like five ethnic groups. If you, if you’re actually looking at the genetic distance.Mm-hmm. And by this what I mean is you will get a genetic ants that is as large as the genetic distance between Europeans and Indians. At least the population of Indians that’s related to Northern Europeans. So here I’m talking about Brahman. ‘cause Brahman are, you might be surprised about this much more closely related to Europeans than other Indian groups.That is, that is. Significantly closer. Wait, how andSimone Collins: whyMalcolm Collins: than some European groups and other European groups?Simone Collins: What, how and why?Malcolm Collins: They were, they were descended from a conquering population that came from Europe and the steps.Simone Collins: Okay. Okay. That explains it. Wow. Okay.Malcolm Collins: So the Indian thing is actually relevant because what you’ll notice is about a lot of these people that they are actually married to Indians.[00:08:00]Oh, that’s what I’m saying. Like keep it within the, the ethnic group or anything like that. But the point I’m making is they’re not as unique in ethnic group as we make them out to be. Was in modern parlays.Simone Collins: If they’re Brahman. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Well, well, even if they’re not Brahman, they’re still about as genetically distant from us as the most distant Europeans are from us.Speaker 3: Mm.Malcolm Collins: Anyway. First anti-immigrant, right? Famous. Okay. Yeah. Who’s coming? Who’s coming to mind? Donald Trump. Famously right now married to a Slovenian immigrant. And his first wife was a checkout Slovakian immigrant. Next JD Vance. Obviously other other head guy at the party here constantly called for his prenatal stuff because I was talking with a reporter about this and she’s like, what about all this?I mean like JD Vance is like a leader of the movement and he is got a kid named Vivek who doesn’t look remotely white. Like I don’t understand how you could think. JD Vance has genuine racial animosity. But, okay. Okay. Very, to be fair,

In this episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the evolving discourse around race, identity, and mixed-race marriage. They explore how recent cultural and political shifts—especially on the far left—have led to new critiques of interracial relationships, even labeling them as problematic or “racist.” The discussion covers Dungeons & Dragons’ controversial changes to mixed-race characters, the shifting definitions of racism, and real-world examples from politics and academia. The conversation is both thought-provoking and irreverent, challenging mainstream narratives and encouraging viewers to question what it really means to be “post-racist” in today’s society. [00:00:00]Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be discussing a few topics. One is on how the far left have begun to attack and see interracial marriages and interracial humans as an inherently racist concept. The far left.Simone Collins (2): Wait, holdMalcolm Collins: on. I don’t know if you know this, Simone, this happened a few years ago.‘cause it’s one of the things we’re gonna be talking about this, but did you know that d and d no longer allows characters to create mixed race characters? Wait, so likeSimone Collins (2): an elf can’t marry an ork or no suchMalcolm Collins: thing as half? No. So you can have a character that is technically a half elf. IE their mom is an alpha, but the, but the husband’s a, a human.Okay. But they can only have the traits of either elves or humans. They can’t have the traits of both. So basically you have to choose one of your parents, and that’s your real ethnicity. Like this is considered less offensive than being mixed race. And we’re gonna be going over this incident that happened a few years ago because I think it’s actually interesting and [00:01:00] that it explains the psychology of how they think race mixing is okay.And how they think it’s not okay. And we’ll be going into quotes from famous democratic politicians and media figures, basically attacking the concept of mixed race marriages. Oh my God, what. And on top of all that I think that this is interesting to discuss, not from a haha, look at them, they’re the racist.Now perspective, like anybody who’s saying knows that. It’s more interesting to study from sort of the anthropological perspective of what is racism mean today to sustain people. What does it mean to Democrats? Where do we go? Societally and where are they going societally in terms of their understanding of race.And it’s where I’ll be laying out a new concept, which I would say is what we are which I call post racist. Or if you want a longer term for it, post scientific racist which is to say. I think that the way that we [00:02:00] should relate to ethnicities and racial groups as a society mm-hmm. Is to, and this is what I would say is the position of the post racist right.Rather than the anti-racist mm-hmm. Is to say that, you know, there are differences between groups. What those differences are might be hard to quantify, but like, you shouldn’t like re or freak out just ‘cause somebody’s like, this group is different from this group. Because when you do you can lead to really systemic damage to some populations.Like, for example, a lot of black women are completely unaware. Did they have, I think it’s 50% higher rate of pregnancy complications in early pregnancy terminations than white women do. And so they, they don’t take, because they, they’ve been grown up told you’re biologically exactly like a white woman.And so they don’t make and take this into account when they’re planning their fertility window, which is why when you’re looking at Americans who are over the bottom, I wanna say like 20% of income blacks have the lowest fertility rate because the, the, the black people who like. Plan, go to school, everything like that.They, they are [00:03:00] unaware that their biology is gonna make this harder for them than it is in their, their, their white and Asian friends. Then you’ve got the, the problem of so, so. We don’t do that. But we accept our differences and we value our differences. Like humanity is good because we are diverse, and it is through that diversity that we can challenge things and learn from each other, right?Like our first thought both the wokes and the racist do, this is what we pointed out before. It’s when they see a group out competing them. And I laid out this theory before, but it’s a very important theory to, to understand when you’re talking about differences between groups. IE. This group has more money or more political power or more success than this group.There are only three explanations for that. One explanation is cultural differences. One explanation is genetic differences, and the other explanation is they put some sort of something systemic into practice that basically cheats the system in their favor.Malcolm Collins (2): Mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: And the problem is, is that [00:04:00] when you say that groups are not culturally different.And anybody who says that certainly believes groups aren’t genetically different, it means you assume all differences are due to somebody cheating. And you know, this is as true when BLM says that they’ve been cheated by white populations as it is when white supremacists say that the Jews cheated them.You know, it’s, it’s, it’s a toxic similarity between these two groupsSimone Collins (2): for sure.Malcolm Collins: The post racist seems and says, I won’t fall for that. I will admit that some groups. Can create systemic biases in their favor. Yeah. As Simone talked about, you know, like Vietnamese nail salons and stuff like that.CartelsSimone Collins (2): and the Patel Motels, et cetera. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And that sometimes a society can, even through slavery or something, you know, create dramatic systemic advantages for certain groups. Mm-hmm. But that it is important to focus on cultural differences. And eventually when it’s was in the realm of things we can control genetic differencesMalcolm Collins (2): mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: Just as much. Yeah. The reason why we don’t focus much on genetic [00:05:00] differences right now is it’s just not something you could do much about. So, being aware that it exists. Is different. And, and note here, I have made no claims about differences in say IQ between Es ethnic groups. Mm-hmm. We have never ever said that.And we, we won’t say that. But I wanna go into the DD thing because I think it’s interesting and then we’re gonna go into quotes where, this is so crazy though. JustSimone Collins (2): like the very premise that you set out is so blowing my mind because I grew up believing that racism was. I hate this group or this group is bad.And now I’m realizing that all the racism that people are being accused of, like within our social networks is how dare you recognize genetic differences? Which is insane. But that also, yeah, the only groups I know of that are like, this group is evil. Are the ones saying, are you ashamed of your white privilege?Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins (2): Which is so crazy. We had somebodyMalcolm Collins: ask us that a couple days ago. That’s why this is top of mind.Simone Collins (2): Okay, go on though. This is, this is just blowing my mind because I, I had [00:06:00] always thought that like the racism that you know, like the definition of racism has always. Like, oh, it hasn’t changed, but like, man, the, it really has.Yeah, it has changed.Malcolm Collins: And I think we need a new definition for whatever wokes are, because I think you can just call them racist, but they’re, they’re kind of something new that has the qualities that would’ve been defined as racist in the nineties or whatever. But of course, they won’t accept that RA label.So, what, what, what can we call them? I don’t know. You, you can think of some new term for this as we go through this other than just post races. ChimeSimone Collins (2): in the comments.Malcolm Collins: But wizards of the Coast, a company that publishes the official materials of the Roleplaying game, DUNS and Dragons, is planning to eliminate the half elf, half ORC races in forthcoming editions.They say the half elf construct is inherently racist according to game designers. By the way, I’m reading for reason here. This is them talking here. Frankly, we are not comfortable and haven’t been for years with any of the options that start with half said Jeremy Crawford, a DD rules, designers a [00:07:00] at a virtual event last weekend to play d and d.It’s necessary to design characters with specific race. Human elf, dwarf, gnome, et cetera, and specific class ranger, barbarian, cleric, et cetera. The official materials offer guidance for doing so. The races and classes have specific characteristics. Elves have long natural lifespans. Orcs can see in the dark and so on.But players can also make a character with mixed racial traits. Half elves are characters. Ways that one human parent and one elf parent half orcs are characters. Ways that one human. Parent and one orc parent. Well, it’s possible to design other mixed race characters. Again, official materials make it clear that everyone can do whatever they want.These two combinations are specifically listed ones and they have their own traits. Well, not anymore. According to several reports from DD players who witness the event, the official materials are dropping. These classes due to concerns of inherent racism. Players who want a mixed character will be advised to choose one race from which to draw their traits.Is [00:08:00] thisSimone Collins (2): the same for like Rangers and barbarians?Malcolm Collins: No. A Ranger is a class, not a race.Simone Collins (2): Oh, sorry, I don’t bad at this.Malcolm Collins: Okay.Speaker 5: I don’t know nothing about this. Dean, do you? SoMalcolm Collins: the game will prompt you to either have elf or human to round out your game related qualities

In this episode of Based Camp, Simone and Malcolm Collins dive deep into the latest research and real-world case studies on cash transfers and Universal Basic Income (UBI). They discuss why recent experiments and studies show that cash handouts and guaranteed income programs often fail to deliver the promised improvements in well-being, employment, and poverty reduction. Drawing on examples from Native American tribes, major UBI studies, and historical work programs like the Civilian Conservation Corps, they explore the complex relationship between income, work, and happiness. The conversation also touches on media coverage, policy implications, and the future of social programs in an AI-driven world.Here Kelsey Piper’s essay in The Argument that we referenced for this episode: Episode Transcript: Simone Collins: Hello Malcolm. I’m so excited to be speaking with you today because we’re gonna talk about universal basic income and how even more. Experimentation and research on it has come to light showing that it does not meaningfully change policy outcomes like housing and stress.It actually decreases working hours. And even though people still anecdotally say that it, oh, it’s so great, it doesn’t actually help them, and this that we’re gonna be covering is coming from someone who really wants. Universal basic income and cash handouts to work or cash transfers as as they would probably put it.Yeah. So what we’re gonna do is get into this and try explore. So this is not forMalcolm Collins: people who think this is not the Sam Altman study. We already did an episode on that one, this giant study that showed if you give people a thousand dollars a month, uh uh, over three years, at the end of it, they’re poorer than the people who got nothing.Well, we haveSimone Collins: to just explore here and going beyond the, the information that we’re gonna go over in the article that shows in various different studies how it doesn’t work. We wanna explore the really key question [00:01:00] here of why do these cash transfers fail? But it’s super clear in the data that earning more correlates with better outcomes.So that’s the other thing. Okay. Hold, before we get into that,Malcolm Collins: I think it’s very important that we frame for people why this is an important conversation right now. Yeah. And why it is such an existential threat to humanity. Yes. Ubi, I an existential threat AI may replace a lot of people’s jobs. The last time we did a video on when will AI actually replace jobs, the head of one of our programming teams.Bruno had been the one who sort of asked the question. He’s like, I don’t see people being let go because of ai. I don’t see things changing because of ai. Now, like three months later, the R Fab team is just me, him in ai because it has replaced all of those jobs. That is how quickly is you can go from saying, I have no idea how this is gonna, you know, actually replace workers or actually change the economy to like, just months later and like, oh, this is doing most of my work. Right. And I, I, I, [00:02:00] why this becomes so threatening is it’s like, well, how do you maintain an economy around that? And then you have to look at what happens to a population if it’s on UBI Intergenerationally.Mm-hmm. Right? And you know, you have. Predictions. Like the predictions you get in wally. In Wally, they sort of show, I think an actually pretty accurate prediction of what could happen to humanity, if anything less gruesome.Wally: Space now. We did that yesterday. I don’t want to do that. Well then what do you want to do? I don’t know. Something.But over here. Hello.Time for lunch. In a cup.. Attention Axiom shoppers. Try blue. It’s the new red. Ooh. Ooh. Lovely.Malcolm Collins: [00:03:00] So if we’re gonna go over some real life case studies here before we go into the data mm-hmm. You have the. Chen Band of Louisiana Indians in California, despite operating one of the largest, most profitable casinos in the US Chenga Resort Casino, generating over 1 billion annually and distributing substantial per capita payments up to $20,000 per member.Monthly in peak years. Oh wow. Okay. The tribe reported a staggering 91% unemployment rate with the unemployed individuals often living below the poverty line. Wait, so they’re probablySimone Collins: unemployed ‘cause they feel like their money is taken care of, but there was still in poverty.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, no, the money comes on Good years.So they’re not getting this every year. And so they are living in just like existential property. For another example here you have the HoChunk Nation, Winnebago Tribe, Wisconsin and Nebraska. This tribe runs multiple casinos, HoChunk gaming and distributes per capita payments from revenues, historically 500 to [00:04:00] $1,000 monthly, varying by year.Yet their unemployment rate is at around 82% in 2005. It fell though recently in 2022 it fell to 32%, but that’s still six x. The national average was poverty affecting around 30% of members. So I’m not gonna keep going over all of these because there are a number of, of, of examples like this, but it is and we’re probably gonna do a, a separate video just on what happens if you’re intergenerationally exposed to UBI and how much it just FAPs your culture of its potentiality.Mm-hmm. How quickly high skilled jobs just disappear from communities that this happens to. Ooh. And what it would mean for the human species if we lived with this, but continue.Simone Collins: Oh, that’s great. Yeah. So what we’re gonna do is go over the article and the argument that goes over all this research called Giving People Money, helped Less than I thought it would by Kelsey Piper.And then we’re gonna talk about this, like, why is it that, you know, ‘cause you, you would think okay if, [00:05:00] you know, having more income. Leads to better outcomes. Why does giving people more income lead to worse outcomes? ‘Cause I think that’s a really key cultural question. So getting into the article, just give people money. It’s the simple brute force solution to so many problems. In low income countries, charities are sometimes measured against whether their interventions are better than simply giving people cash.Even in high income countries like the US when disaster strikes often the best thing you can do is get money into the hands of affected people. Immediately. They know whether they should use it to buy gas, rent an Airbnb, fly to their cousin’s house. Or one stayed over. So it wasn’t that crazy to assume, particularly once promising pilots were released, that the same should be true for addressing chronic poverty in high income countries.If you give a new mom a few hundred dollars a month, or a homeless man, $1,000 a month, that’s gotta show up in the debt, right? Alas, a few years back we got really serious about studying cash transfers and rigorous research began in cities all across America. Some programs targeted the homeless, some new [00:06:00] mothers and some families living beneath the poverty line.The goal was to figure out whether sizable monthly payments help people lead better lives, get better educations and jobs, care for more of their children, and achieve better health outcomes. Many of the studies are still ongoing, but at this point, the results are uncertain. They’re pretty consistent and very weird.Multiple large, high quality randomized studies are finding that guaranteed income transfers do not appear to produce sustained improvements in mental health, stress levels, physical health, child development outcomes, or employment treated Participants do work a little less. But shockingly, this doesn’t correspond with either low stress, lower stress levels, or higher overall reported life satisfaction.So I’m gonnaMalcolm Collins: stop and, and pull out what’s being said here.Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: That when people are like, well. You know, if, if you just gave me more money or I just didn’t have to worry about money so much Exactly. I would be less stressed. Yeah. It’s the money. It’sSimone Collins: always, it’s the money. It’s the money. I don’t have enough money,Malcolm Collins: actually.Untrue. If you earned more [00:07:00] money, you would be less stressed. Mm-hmm. Not if you were given more money.Simone Collins: And this is really key and, and we’ll get into this at the end. Because, yeah, total, total highlight. All right. To continue homeless people, new mothers and low income Americans all over the country receive thousands of dollars, and it’s practically invisible in the data on so many important metrics.These people are statistically indistinguishable from those who did not receive this aid. I cannot stress how shocking I find this, and I want to be clear. This is not, we got some weak counter evidence. These are careful, well conducted studies. They’re large enough to rule out even some more positive effects, and they’re.All very similar. No, I wanna, IMalcolm Collins: wanna stop again here. So the studies on UBI are particularly damning because most of them were done by people who were for UBI. Yes. And tried to frame the data as being as pro UBI as possible.Simone Collins: Yeah. And that’s, so the a, a big issue with this is that many media outlets, if they cover these at all, they manipulate the results to only like very selectively say [00:08:00] that this was good because people don’t wanna hear this.This is not pleasant news for anyone because everyone’s answer to Malcolm’s point is always, no, just gimme more money and then I’ll be okay. Mm-hmm. This is an amount of evidence that in almost any other context we’d consider definitive, and yet you’d be hard pressed to hear about it in the media quote.Overall, the larger and more credible studies in this space have tended to find worse effects, and yet the press seems to prefer to cover the small pilots. That show positive impacts of a Vivat co-author of one recent open research study on guara

In this episode, Malcolm and Simone dive deep into a fascinating NBC study that explores the stark differences in values, priorities, and life choices among Americans based on political affiliation and gender. They discuss why fertility rates are diverging so dramatically between groups, what men and women who voted for Trump or Harris value most in life, the impact of career, financial independence, and family on personal fulfillment, how cultural and generational shifts are shaping the future of America, the role of marriage, debt, and emotional stability in modern society, and surprising insights from pop culture and personal anecdotes. Listen in for a thought-provoking conversation about the future of the country, the challenges of demographic change, and what it means to live a successful life today. Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more in-depth discussions! Episode Transcript: Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today.Today we are going to be discussing. A, a fascinating study that came out from NBC that was looking at what was important to men who voted for Trump versus Kamala Harris, and women who voted for Trump versus Kamala Harris. And what you can see is. People who vote for Kamala Harris are not gonna play a big role in our country’s future.No. They’re basically deleting themselves from the population because while there had been differences in the past in fertility rates within these groups, it is exploding. So I wanna talk about these preferences. I wanna talk about why they’re different. And to give you an idea of how different they are.Men who voted for Trump when they were ranking like important for their definition of like success. Literally the top thing. The number one thing was having children.Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.Malcolm Collins: Women who voted for Harris. Literally the last thing of importance to them was [00:01:00] having children. Which only, yeah, onlySimone Collins: only 6% ofMalcolm Collins: women voted for Harris, which by the way, tied with being married.Yeah. And not a lot of interest. People retire early, so like financial stability is the other thing they don’t care about. My God. So thoughts on like the, the, that, that number before we go further so that, because a lot of the numbers that I’ve looked at before show like Democrat and Republicans being like 78% to like a hundred percent different in terms of fertility rates, but this would suggest that it’s dramatically higher than that for this next generation.Simone Collins: Yeah, this doesn’t look good. I, I’m used to seeing much more moderated results from surveys like these, you know, like, oh, they’re, they’re meaningfully different, but this is violently different.Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins: And I think it’sMalcolm Collins: because these two groups are becoming more violently different from each other.Simone Collins: Yeah,Malcolm Collins: absolutely.In terms of values.Simone Collins: Absolutely. It is also sobering to me, however, just how low priority having children is for [00:02:00] anyone. That it’sMalcolm Collins: literally the top priority for men who voted for Trump.Simone Collins: Yes. Except everyone else, it, it’s not at the top. Yeah. So let’s, let’s talk aboutMalcolm Collins: this. Let’sSimone Collins: talk about women who vote Trump, women who voted for Trump.It’s right in the middle of the list of, of things presented, although 26% still want to have children. But that’s Malcolm. That’s 26%. That’s a quarter. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: It’s only 26% of voting Who voted for Trump? AndSimone Collins: then keep in mind, so, so men, oh men who voted for Trump, who really value having kids. Sorry, 34% value.That’s a third Malcolm. All like, yeah, no. Yeah. They, sure. Of, of the, of the population polled, but this is if only a third of men,Malcolm Collins: so women who voted for Trump. Like what did women who vote for Trump care about more than having kids, right? Yeah.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: The top thing for them, and this was more important than them, than having kids with, for many who voted for Trump, was financial independence.Mm-hmm. Which yeah. AndSimone Collins: second is having a fulfilling job career, which is also fulfilling Job. Career is [00:03:00] number one for women who voted for Harris. It’s actually, no, it’s alsoMalcolm Collins: true for men who voted for Harris. So the funny thing, yeah. About the women who voted for Trump, who, you know, care about money and career, right?Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Is the way that they framed it in terms of what they picked was financial independence. Then for both the men and the women who voted for Harris, it wasn’t that they wanted financial independence, it’s that they wanted enough money to do the things they wanted and to have a fulfilling job or basically enjoy their day job.Well, I think fertility is, they wanted to have fun and have money, but they didn’t care about independence.Simone Collins: Fertility is inversely correlated to the extent to which you. Opt in to an atomized capitalist to society where you buy everything you want. So if, if you opt into a community-based society or a family-based society where the vast majority of the goods and services that you value and enjoy and past times involve or, or, or we’ll say endogenous, they come from within your family or community unit, you’re gonna have kids.But the more you lean into, I [00:04:00] will buy every single thing. Individually, I’m going to buy all my food. I’m not gonna make it home. I’m not gonna get it from my family. I’m gonna buy all my entertainment. It’s not gonna come from within my home or from my kids or from my spouse. I’m gonna pay for stuff that makes me entertained.That will make you less and less fertile. And I think that’s why the focus is on getting this job and career because they’re, they’re opting into the very dynamic that caused the beginning of demographic collapse to begin with, which was industrialization, which was leaving the home. Going out and working and trading money for anything that you want instead of getting it from within your own family unit.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I, I think that’s right. To go over like what men who voted for, well, actually let’s look at what women who voted for Hearst, what do they actually value? Because I think that helped us, like mm-hmm. Key into this, and we’ll, we’ll go through the chart and we’ll contrast it with some of the others.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Number one, and this was true for men who voted for Harris, so they’re actually pretty aligned. The men and women who vote for Harris their top three [00:05:00] are the same. No, notSimone Collins: top three, only top two.Malcolm Collins: Oh, the, the third one is almost the same. No. Yeah.Simone Collins: So for women, number one, fulfilling job, career.Number two, having money to do things you want, that’s the same for men. But then women’s number three priority and God help them ‘cause it’s never gonna happen is having emotional stability. No,Malcolm Collins: but what’s funnier if you look at the charts, and we often go over this on our show, is that there is no demographic that is more emotionally unstable than progressive women.BothSimone Collins: Well, and you know, I’ll point out. That emotional stability is near or at the bottom of the list for men and women who voted for Trump. Yeah, and I think this just goes to show how mental health and specifically poor mental healthMalcolm Collins: is a just, it’s, it’s a. It’s downstream of obsessing about mental health.Simone Collins: Well, yeah. And, and, and it’s pervasive within progressive culture. And they’re aware of it and they’re like, I wish I had this. And they don’t. And I do think also that there’s a big correlation between having poor mental health and [00:06:00] not having a family and religion and strong hard culture that that gives you something more important to worry about than your stupid whims.‘cause we all have demons. We all have demons. There’s no space for my demon because we have kids, right? Like, but I had, yeah.Malcolm Collins: It burns the selfishness out of you as one of the other moms say Yes.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: No, I, I completely agree with that, but I think that this is something that we used to intuit as a society much more easily.Mm. A lot of progressives, they don’t have conservative friends. They don’t watch conservative influencers. No. So they are unaware of the within conservative spaces, the, the significantly higher degree of emotional stability that’s expected. But when we look into the past, even with like recent models of conservatives, like say ron Swanson.Speaker: I’ve been developing the Swanson Pyramid of greatness for years. It’s a perfectly calibrated recipe for maximum personal achievement. Categories include capitalism, God’s way of determining who is smart and who is poor., Property [00:07:00] rights, fish for sport only, not for meat. Fish meat is practically a vegetable. Haircuts. There are three acceptable haircuts, high and tight. Crew. Cut, buzz cut.Speaker 2: Feel no sympathy.Malcolm Collins: Right. Ron Swanson may be incorrect about things in a conservative like way but he, he is, he is nothing if not emotionally stable most of the time other than when he is dealing with his exes. When he is dealing with ex women, he becomes emotionally, which I love. He’s logicalSimone Collins: in his attempt to resist, to resist them.Malcolm Collins: But generally speaking, he is like, when contrasted with the progressive coated boss character who’s like all into yoga and all into like eating healthy and is a vegan he’s, he’s constantly shown as being like the, the epitome of emotional stability,Simone Collins: right.Malcolm Collins: Because he knows what he’s about, as he would say.Yeah. And knowing what you’re about I think is [00:08:00] really the key to emotional stability.

In this episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the controversy surrounding the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel’s show, exploring the intersection of free speech, media ethics, and the shifting landscape of late-night television. They analyze the facts behind Kimmel’s suspension, compare it to other high-profile media firings, and discuss the broader implications for truth, comedy, and political discourse in America. The conversation also touches on the evolution of late-night humor, the rise of alternative media, and the challenges of navigating cancel culture. Plus, enjoy candid moments, personal stories, and predictions about the future of media, AI, and global politics. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] was Kimmel himself hinting in a 2024 LA Times interview. I think this is my final contract.That seems like enough Jimmy Kimmel was saying. His contract wasn't gonna be renewed. when Alex Jones gets fired for Sandy Hook very few mainstream conservative commentators we're like, oh, they're silencing free speech the Tonight Show was Conan O'Brien was canceled at around 1.4. So at higher ratings than his show was canceled.The American Hall Show was canceled at 1.6. Again, much higher than his show when it was canceled,Simone Collins: your depiction of this as the network taking an opportunity to. Less expensively end a contract that was going to end inevitably.Makes a lot of sense.Malcolm Collins: why does the left even think they have a right to be mad about this?Would you like to know more?Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. A lot of people have been talking about free speech in regards to [00:01:00] Jimmy Kimmel having his show canceled after.I will note it wasn't that he disparaged somebody, he just lied. Like what he said wasn't even like a normal lie. It was like the antithesis of what is true. I'll play the clip right here for people who aren't familiar with it. Before we go furtherSpeaker: The MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it.Malcolm Collins: the gist is, is he insinuated that the shooter who killed, charlie Kirk was a Republican, was like a MAGA guy. Like Yeah.Simone Collins: He used the term MAGA orMalcolm Collins: Right. Republican. And that, that's funny because, you know, MAGA is killing MAGA and they don't realize it or won't talk about it. Well, thatSimone Collins: MAGA is trying to pin it on their political opposition and he's basically saying they're shooting their own.Isn't that? Yeah. Which is,Malcolm Collins: I mean, it's, [00:02:00] it's, it's not like a, like he may not have been aware of the evidence or something like this. This is one of the things that is just patently not true. And part of this whole conversation is before I get into he wasn't canceled for the reasons that people are saying, first of all, and I'm gonna go into the data on this, that'll be the first thing we go into.But the, the other thing that's really important to note here is, and, and go into is why does the left even think they have a right to be mad about this? Like his role. Was as a newscaster comedian which is basically our role as well, except he's working for a major station, like a private company, right.He says something in his role as a newscaster comedian, which was the antithesis of true, which was literally made to get people to believe the opposite of what was true on a very sensitive topic, which is obviously like going viral and doing the rounds. And [00:03:00] so the company that hired him, fired him.Simone Collins: Well, the show suspended, right?I Is he fired? I don't think he's fired. ItMalcolm Collins: doesn't, it doesn't matter. The point being is that you should be fired if you are a newscaster for saying something about like a, a mainstream important topic that's just factually untrue. AndSimone Collins: to be fair, there is a. There are many examples of journalists, reporters, et cetera, who have been suspended or fired for reporting inaccuracies.This is Sure.Malcolm Collins: A, a great example, when Alex Jones gets fired for saying Sandy Hook is fake very few mainstream conservative commentators we're like, oh, they're silencing free speech or anything like that.You know, very few. We, we certainly have never argued that Alex Jones shouldn't have faced a lawsuit for that or faced being pulled from air for that. That was something that was factually untrue and very easy to check that it was [00:04:00] factually untrue. Yeah. In fact. In many ways, I think what Alex Jones did was less bad than what, what Jimmy Kimmel did.Why? 'cause at least Alex Jones engaged with the argument and tried to explain why he believed it was fake, whereas Jimmy Kimmel just stated something that was patently false about something that assert asSpeaker 4: sculpted.Malcolm Collins: No. I'll note here. The way that what Alex Jones did was worse than what Jimmy Kimmel did is he turned the regular civilians who had lost their loved ones into victims.Whereas Jimmy Kimmel did not do that. Yeah. But I mean, I'm talking about just in terms of somebody whose job is telling news, said something and that they knew was wrong. And, and if you can be like, oh, Alex Jones didn't know this. We know from the court documents that Alex Jones didn't believe this.Like there's been internal leaks. And there are alsoSimone Collins: just general other even political kind of related falsehoods that people have been. We'll say like suspended or censored in some way. Like some Fox News presenters promoted false claims about the 2020 US [00:05:00] election and Dominion voting systems. And they, that, that led to lawsuits and, and other things.And were they fired? Some, some of them were suspended, some were not. But that's another example of them. A a bunch of people have been pulled for just other nonpolitical inaccuracies. Like Brian Williams, he was a really big person for NBC Nightly News in 2015 was suspended, and later his anchor was just totally removed after he exaggerated stories about being under fire during the Iraq war.So that was just telling a lie about himself. So there, there are lots of people who have been suspended for things people have been suspended for false Michael Flynn reports false Kobe Bryant reporting.You know, when he, he, when he was killed Matt Guttman of a BC news was suspended for saying that all of the kids died in the plane crash when it was just his daughter. So even just like little, little things. And, and some,Malcolm Collins: it's, the point is, is it is normal to fire a newscaster [00:06:00] for lying, for plagiarism,Simone Collins: for ethics issues, for lying, for inaccurate reporting, like all of these things.Malcolm Collins: Why is it, I think the bigger story here is why is it that progressives think that this is a bad thing? Like, oh, andSimone Collins: don't forget all the COVID stuff. Sorry, I just wanted to point that out. When, when people were seen as, as, as reporting misleadingly on COVID stuff, they got fired and suspended all the time.Malcolm Collins: But the, the question here I'm saying is why do they think that they can say, we are canceling free speech when some, a newscaster is being fired for lying. Like, why do they think that this is something that somebody shouldn't be fired for? Why do they think that they have a position to throw a stink here?And I think that this actually tells us more about the current progressive mindset and philosophy than the, the anything else around this. But before I go further, I wanna go into why he was actually fired because this is suspended. People on the right have talked about this, but they really haven't gone into the data.And I think when you go into the data, you're just like, this is a completely silly situation to be up in [00:07:00] arms about. Okay. So in August 26th, 2025, Yahoo Entertainment. So this is before he said this, this is before the Trump stuff AR article reported insider speculation tied to shifting late night landscape.Post Stephen Colbert's cancellation announcement, A key quote, quote, Jimmy is determined to quit late night before he's axed, quote, confides insider. The context highlights that he was planning to be fired that year. Jimmy Kimmel thought before this that he was going to be fired this year. What happened?Let's keep going. A July 23rd, 2025 people magazine's piece discussed Trump's claims that Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon would soon be ousted analyzing their contracts. It noted Kimmel's deal expires at the end of 2025 to 2026. Season was Kimmel himself hinting in a 2024 LA Times interview. I think this is my final contract.That seems like enough Jimmy [00:08:00] Kimmel was saying. His contract wasn't gonna be renewed. Now, what's important to note about these contracts, and we'll get into this a little bit more later, is most of them have a clause that if the person embarrasses the company publicly, they can cancel the contract without having to pay a firing fee.But if they don't, then they have to pay out a bunch of money.Simone Collins: Oh, okay. There's a very clear economic reason for why things happened the way they happened.Malcolm Collins: Yes. Let's keep going here. Oh, cha-ching. July 24th, 2025 coming soon.net guide explored why fans and sources believed the show was going to be canceled.So there's, there's articles out there analyzing why everyone thought he was gonna be canceled and they say, quote, the word is, and it's a strong word at that Jimmy Kimmel is next to go at late night sweepstakes in quote. And this was a Trump quote by the way that they were quoting. So he, he knew what was up.But now I wanna talk ratings because we're gonna do a quick comparison of this show's ratings, and I'll put on screen here, the falling ratings of not just [00:09:00] this show, but across late night tv. So you can give an idea of jus